Chat Fallout

[Kim Jong CP]

So after nearly two hours of debate between ideas, the following were put forth. I do believe we're going to use these as a forum for debate on the ideas to come up with two distinct resolutions, or a majority rule that we can either pass or put to a vote.

Issue One: Reboot-Maintain Status Quo-Quit

Proposition: ACW Arena is destroyed under mysterious circumstances, the where abouts of Gingerdude are unknown. The show must go on however and business carries on as normal.

Propostion: If roster reaches 30 members, possibility of two rival organizations emerging from the fall of ACW. Working as separate companies. People would be company exclusive but would be more than welcome to create a second character, one per show. Shows would both be under the “ACW” banner, but would be competing against each other for ratings etc. This would occur after proposition one, after a power struggle emerges for ownership of ACW. Possiblilty of second company being GWF!

Issue Two: Rank

Proposition: Reduce ranks to two “divisions” Entertainment and World. This would then also create a reduction in the titles to two separate entities.

Point of Inquiry: Should the division be used as a calc.

Issue Three: Titles

Proposition: Which two title’s should be merged, also, what should be the new title name. Suggestion is Openweight Title.

Issue Four: NPC’s

Proposition: To what extent should we keep the present NPC corpse. Should we make brand new ones entirely, keep some and make others, or maintain status quo.

Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

Proposition: Moving our Wednesday show to Monday, as well as the possibility of a show time change to 8 EST, for certain weeks to give AK a break from posting.

Issue Six: Championship Committee

Proposition: None Given.

[Jason Freeman]

Issue One: Reboot-Maintain Status Quo-Quit

I don't like the rival show thing, after all, we barely have enough for one show now, and I think that the ACW name has to stay, no matter what. I really like the idea that was there when I was in, the hybird of mine, and CP's, and AK's. Something happens to Ginger, and the arena, and then somebody buys out the company in the resulting chaos. A new manager is in charge, and this would be the in character reason for why we are changing titles, and staff, etc.

This leads to an interesting storyline that would affect everybody. The power has changed, and now people can either butt heads with this new manager, heels could try to get him on their good sides, and things would be shaken up. This manager could make a lot of changes. And this could be temporary. It's not a restart per se, but a new chapter, and a new version of ACW, and the name stays, the history stays, but the arena can go, and then we can change things from inside.

Issue Two: Rank

Im sorry but I feel pretty strongly that the four ranks should stay. I know CP disagrees, but in my opinion ranking up is something to strive for. If we did go to two titles, that means only TWO people could be champion at a time. It is hard to get a title shot, and with less titles, harder for people to actually win them, especially those who rp skills may not be up to par, or who may be new at Efedding or just not the best writers in general. These people could improve over time, but until they become good enough to win the title, they have nothing to aim for.

Ranking up is something that proves you're accomplishing something. I remember the first time I got to upper midcard and I wasnt nearly ready for the International title yet, but it was a big deal for me, and it felt like I had accomplished a goal, and goals lead to more motivation. Something to strive for is always good, rather than just a win-loss record. It also gives people an incentive to write a lot becuase more writing = ranking up. It also establishes a real achievemnt of reaching main event by being in an elite group, rather than half of the fed being the highest level.

These ranks do NOT have to count for calcs. Personally I dont mind that they do, but they don't have to. But I feel the ranking system is very realistic, and feels like you have a challenge. A ladder to climb. I like it a lot. I don't mind two titles, but I think that the ranking thing should stay, even if it's just for bragging rights with no real meaning beyond that.

Issue Three: Titles

I like the International name out of the two, and feel it sounds like a prestigious belt. But I can see a new one. I don't like openweight though. It should be something that makes it feel like a prize to be won.

Issue Four: NPC’s

Keep some and make others. Again, if new management bought ACW they could fire some and hire more. I think a new commentator would be good, a new interviewer, but I can see wanting to keep Kevin and McNally and Edison. But I think a shake-up with some new interesting characters could be good

Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

I think Monday is a great change, and should be official. It also helps with one more thing. It prevents the PPV confusion we have now. Monday to the PPV is still a great length of time, and then we just don't do a warfare the Monday after the PPV.

Issue Six: Championship Committee

I think Im divided on this. I think the champs should pick challengers, but perhaps for mid-month a committee could come in handy. Then again, I think it should be mostly used not to run but to enforce. It should be when somebody clearly deserves a title shot and has not been able to get one, the championship committee jumps in, and says this guy has to get a shot. That should be all they do though

Sometimes somebody less deserving may get a shot, but I think that's good. ESPECIALLY with only two belts, there needs to be the occasional "Sheamus shot" at the title, where someone not quite at main event yet who has no chance really gets to work with the champ and main event a PPV. Could bring more credibility and I dont think it's bad to have a champ get an easy defense. We dont want the title changing every month because the absolute biggest threat ALWAYS gets a shot.

[The Red Panther]

Issue One: Reboot-Maintain Status Quo-Quit

In my opinion we should: Start with two people vieing for control after Ginger goes, and then after a while it gets to breaking point and the fed is ripped in two into two new feds. Gingerdude comes back and says that since he owns ACW, he owns both feds and so can put on cross promotion PPVs etc but the two owners would still need ratings to stop there promotion going under. The two feds would via for ratings like WCW vs WWE, with people jumping ship due to the fact Gingerdude owns all the contracts.

Issue Two: Rank

Keep all four ranks but have them irrelevant to the calcs.

Issue Three: Titles

One belt per fed, the ACW titles would be retired so they would hold there own lineage. If w ekeep one show unite the ET and IN titles and create the open-weight title.

Issue Four: NPC’s

People should be able to contribute some, keep Gary as the only old NPC. New announcers etc.

Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

If we have two shows: One Monday, one Thursday. If we keep one draw up a schedule so AK doesn't have to post the show every week.

Issue Six: Championship Committee

Every month the championship committee should suggest challengers to the champs.

[Dan White]

I'll add my two pence on all issues eventually, but as far as titles go, may I recommend something like two main titles (World + International/Entertainment/whatever) and a subsidary title. It doesn't even have to mean anything, but just something pretty fun to play about with. I mean, I've seen a Hardcore Title with 24/7 rules work before in the e-fedding world, and it would be a great addition to the fed, even if it would largely be an off-television title.

Basically what I saw was that each day a new "Hardcore Title ##/##/## (date)" topic was made, and whoever made the first attempt to tackle the hardcore champion would write out a mini-match scenario, before going "1...2...". If after 1 or 2 hours the champion didn't write a kick out and an escape scenario, then the title would change hands. But if not, then the person making the attack would be able to write the culmination of the pin, alongside the whole title winning procedure. There would obviously have to be more rules and monitoring, but in this fed I was in I felt it was incredibly enjoyable. It enhanced creativity throughout days where there was no show, and it kept an OOC feel to it as memes from the community boards would often filter through.

Thoughts?

[Kim Jong CP]

Issue One: Reboot

I think this is the way to go, at least in some point. Some major changes need to be executed and this gives a reason to do it. I like the proposed idea number one because it gives us a reason for everything that goes on.

Even more I love the rival show and feel this is the kind of thing that could pump some major energy into the fed. Yes logistics need to be worked out but the argument that the "roster" isn't there is a lie. I know I posted this in the other topic but it got buried so here we go again.

• Kenny (Would definitely be in, was his idea)
  
• Taylor (I'm presuming it was him in chat and he supported it)
  
• Dave (GWF is coming back, yeah)
  
• Rob (Can't see him leaving honestly.)
  
• Yoko (This is her life, she's not going anywhere)
  
• Freeman (Mr. ACW himself, not going anywhere)
  
• Mainer (Is committed, just took a break)
  
• VorteX (Says he's staying)
  
• Mark (Supported the idea)
  
• Panther (He's here)
  
• Criminal (Supported the idea)
  
• Wheeler (Hasn't said anything, but can't see him leaving)
  
• Rena (Said he's coming back)
  
• Smart (Looks to be staying)
  
• TJ (And with him comes one more)
  
• Torak (Keeps logging in, he just said he was busy)
  
• Jonny Spade (Same as above)
  
• Jonny Hughes (Planning a return)
  
• Mach (Confirmed Return)
  
• Flamingo (The same, may even use two characters, even as a team)
  
• Senator (Committed)
  
• AK (Said she may write if someone can aid with posting which I've volunteered for if time is changed)
  
• Me (I would be running two characters if this happened)

That their would be twenty five roster members, and as said in the topic, we'd likely need thirty. This is where the fed would need to step up and support five new members, but that's not all that hard. Maybe Dan in two months can come back, it's obvious ACW means alot to Yoko, maybe he can convince Sarin to write again. TK could contact Showtime or FSX, Maybe BK would get off his ass and submit for the shows. If we say brought back GWF, there a number of their old members who I could see really wanting a return. We also could step up recruiting for new members, to say thirty members is impossible is wrong, in fact, we're almost there. We then split the roster into fifteen a piece. Two segments a week one by you, one by your feud partner is thirty segments in total plus four matches, that's 34 posts, that's bigger than any show we've had in two months, hell with the fire here we're looking at the possibility of getting back onto the fourth page for shows and who wouldn't want that.

The idea proposed is that after a period of say three months passes, two rival owners emerge from the rubble fighting for ACW and eventually the company is split into two different ones which go head to head. Think WWF vs. WCW, the golden age of mainstream wrestling in a way, that'd be awesome here. It'd create writing for everyone. Left off the company you wanted to be on, write about it, personal feud on the other show, write about wanting to get at him. There would also be cross brand events, likely the big shows pitting people against each other but also title matches etc. This would also fit in with the titles that one would go to each brand and each show would have one titile, with ultimately one rank creating competition amongst everyone. There will be no coasting to wins or title shots, etc. It really could be the kick in the ass the fed needs.

Issue Two: Rank

Hate the word rank, like the word division. Entertainment (or whatever we decide) and World title. It makes it so everyone can compete against everyone and makes the title, not the rank something to shoot for. Sure it's nice to see some advancement and as opposed to maybe seperate ranks if we need something, maybe a top 5 in each rank to show progression or something, that's a big if though.

Issue Three: Titles

Two titles, I like the Openweight name for it and then removing the Heavvweight from the big title and having two belts

ACW World Championship and ACW Openweight Championship.

Issue Four: NPC’s

I like the split idea;. I think some of the NPC wrestlers, Gary, Southern Smashers should remain as they're the staples. I also think Charlotte King or Kevin Anderson should remain as well as RAF. I think the announcers should go though. I like Edison and it'd not be a ACW PPV without a DANGEROUS! but we need clearly defined heel and face people at the booth and as of now, they both seem kind of fence sitters. Edison seems to do color which is often more suited for the heel role, but if we could get a heel play by play that'd actually be neat to see.

Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

I like the idea of a Monday Show, most people are procrastinators by nature and this allows the weekend for the writing that while we have now, probably isn't utilized. I believe it'd also work well with the PPV's just getting rid of the monday show afterwards. Also, I'd like thoughts on a revolving show time. I'd not mind taking over on a weekly basis for posting shows but that'd likely be at 8 PM EST due to my piss poor time zone. If AK wanted to split in whatever form of timeshare would be agreeable to her that'd work, but would a revolving timeslot work for other people?

Issue Six: Championship Committee

Yes! Yes! and Yes again! Even if it's just setting up mid month defenses I'm fine but some form of system reform needs to be made here. I also think it should have both mod and player input with those people removing themselves for consideration to remove bias, which is what we're trying to remove here, even if it is un-intentional.

Finally, I know it was brought up in the other topic, but I do belive some form of scheduled chat should occur on something other than show days, maybe a weekend day mid day, maybe something like today, or even on Sunday on a time that works for everyone. I know here on this side Sunday is football (and church) so something like 1 EST on a Sunday?

[Jason Freeman]

Can we worry about getting together one good show before worrying about having to put together TWO separate ones? <_<

Plus I just think two shows would divide when we want to bring us all together again into one community as we used to do. I really dont see the point of it <_<. It only seems like it's there because GWF people want to bring back GWF and TK wants to bring back SLA >_>

[Kim Jong CP]

Thing is Freeman, if that's really what they want, they have the ability and honestly the time right now to go out, re-start SLA or GWF and would probably be able to pilfer some people from here but this is going to help ACW.

[The Red Panther]

I'm not on the members list again >__>

[Kim Jong CP]

Dec 12, 2009 19:33:59 GMT -5 The Red Panther said:

I'm not on the members list again >__>

That proves my point even further that we'd be capable of doing this.

[Jack Jefferson]

Time to weigh in methinks, this last week I’ve been around very little and for that I apologise but I’ve pretty much been holed up in the uni library all week getting my assignments done. Now, onto the issues.


Issue One: Reboot

Two shows? No, just no. I hate that idea. It limits the roster, makes us look like we’re mimicking WWE and really just cuts down who you can feud with. I’d much rather keep everything in one place. In the other topic Jonny Hughes mentioned wiping the slate clean (so to speak) and I for one would fully support that move. If we have to rebrand ACW going into 2010 so be it. Sure there’s a hell of a lot of history but right now we should be worrying about what goes ahead, not what has gone before. Anyway, plopping everyone back at the starting line would be very interesting and I have no doubt that it will help with motivation as everyone scrambles to establish themselves as the #1 player in the company.

If everyone CP mentioned contributes that would be a great roster, but trust me...keep everyone together. A split into two companies could easily spell the end of ACW. Sure, it might give a competition element where the people on each show try to outdo each other but fuck that noise, make the show as great as it can be together, not against each other.


Issue Two: Rank (Divisons from now on )

I am so up for a two-division system in ACW it’s unbelievable. Ideally they’d be the “Openweight Division” and the “World Division” but this way the secondary belt will still mean a lot, both the IT and ET have dropped considerably in prestige and excitement since I joined (in my personal opinion anyway). This would give the belt some real meaning and can you imagine how hot the World Title division would be if there were say 10 people gunning for it rather than the three or so we have right now? (Based on the roster detailed by CP I’d say a 15/10 split between divisions would be the best idea, but that detail will no doubt be thrashed out by the mods).


Issue Three: Titles

World Heavyweight Title and Openweight Title...done. I didn’t put ACW in front, because I still believe a rebranding and a clean slate would do us the world of good.


Issue Four: NPCs

I know that the NPCs are The Senator’s babies and, ideally, a little character development could be done to give them better-defined personalities. I like the idea of a heel/face commentary team as it’s the classic dynamic. I think if the NPC’s characters were more defined then people would be able to use them in a more consistent fashion. Right now, everyone has their own view of what each character is like. I, for example, will write Edison as a heel commentator 90% of the time, but then he could be a face in the next segment. It’s a tad sloppy and kill continuity to a certain degree, but separate character profiles would solve this.


Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

I wouldn’t be against a Monday show, but we’d have to do some serious consideration about when PPVs happen in my opinion. I don’t see why it’s necessary to have a PPV on the weekend (other than it being a tradition) would it not make sense to have a Monday show and a Thursday PPV? So it’d go something like:

Week#1 – Monday
Week#2 – Monday
Week#3 – Monday
Week#4 – Monday
Week#5 – Monday
Week#6 – Thursday PPV
Week#7 – Monday

I know taking PPVs away from the weekend might not be the most popular idea but, fuck it. It’d make much more sense to have that than a PPV on a Saturday followed by a Monday show.


Issue Six: Championship Committee

I’m very torn on this issue for one main reason – champions have ALWAYS been able to choose their challenger. How demoralising (and motivationally damaging) could it be if a champion had been planning out a feud with someone for his/her title only to be told “no, you’re feuding with wrestler X this month”?! No, that’s totally wrong.

If there were a championship committee I think they should be more of a suggestive body than dictating what goes on, and both champions should be members of the board so they can let the committee know what’s happening regarding a title feud. In my opinion, here’s what the roles should be:

Suggest (key word there) worthy challengers for feuds
Set up mid-month title defences

That’s it, don’t make this think more complicated than it needs to be!

[Taylor]

I pretty much agree with everything Jefferson said.

There is no way two shows should even be contemplated right now.

[Kim Jong CP]

Dec 12, 2009 20:06:07 GMT -5 Taylor said:

I pretty much agree with everything Jefferson said.

There is no way two shows should even be contemplated right now.

Thing is, it'd not be now, it'd likely be three, four months down the road.

[Jack Jefferson]

After thinking more about this I thought up a scenario to explain how we could get to a clean slate stage. It's a very rough idea, with many of the minor details not thought of yet, but I just wanted to see if it's something people would be interested in.

Basically what would happen is that ACW, as an entity, would go bankrupt. Gingerdude had been covering up the financial black hole the company was in for a long time. So everyone is pretty much out of a job until someone (dunno who) comes in and buys up all of ACWs contracts. They leave the arena, the name rights, and the titles behind but take all the talent to "keep ACW alive" in a sense. (This would lend itself to the ditching of ACW Island idea because I think it's fair to say that ACW travelling to you is far easier to attend than if you have to fly to some island to see the show, that can contribute to the financial fuckup.)

So a new company would emerge from the ashes of ACW, with ACW's talent but their own titles (Openweight and World Heavyweight)and their own history to create. Everyone has been shuffled back to the starting blocks so everything is on a even keel when the company is ready to kick off, no champions, no-one properly established in the hierarchy of the new company yet.

[Trent Wheeler]

Yeah, I'm staying.

Issue One: Reboot-Maintain Status Quo-Quit
-Yeah, I don't like the idea as of right now. Make sure these people do come back then move on with it. Maybe like the WCW-ECW Invasion storyline.

Issue Two: Rank

Proposition: Reduce ranks to two “divisions” Entertainment and World. This would then also create a reduction in the titles to two separate entities.
- This sounds good to me.

Point of Inquiry: Should the division be used as a calc.
- Part of me says yes, part on me says no, it all depends on how the clacs work.

Issue Three: Titles

Proposition: Which two title’s should be merged, also, what should be the new title name. Suggestion is Openweight Title.
- Like the idea.

Issue Four: NPC’s

Proposition: To what extent should we keep the present NPC corpse. Should we make brand new ones entirely, keep some and make others, or maintain status quo.
- I think the current NPCs are fine. They are NPCs.

Issue Five: Show Times and Dates

Proposition: Moving our Wednesday show to Monday, as well as the possibility of a show time change to 8 EST, for certain weeks to give AK a break from posting.
- If would help AK, it's good.

[Kim Jong CP]

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