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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 29, 2012 12:23:32 GMT -5
Did you notice how I capitalized "Extreme Rules?" That was to put emphasis on how extreme it will be.
This will be the first time since the 90's that I have watched and ordered two WWE PPV's back to back. I am really enjoying their product now because they are starting to get life back into the roster and they have characters and not just "generic wrestlers," which you know I like. I hope the trend continues.
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Post by VorteX on Apr 29, 2012 16:18:42 GMT -5
This is implying you liked WM with it's 45 second squash match (for the title lulz) and super lackluster main events. As an aside, what characters does WWE have now besides Funkasaurus and Taker? 90% of the roster looks like CAWs.
I was looking forward to ER though mostly for Brock/Cena, but then Cena stopped acting tough and started acting like a tool again, so I don't know.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 29, 2012 23:32:18 GMT -5
TK, I would love to hear what you thought about it because IMO that was one of the best PPVs Ive ever seen, especially in recent memory. Even better than Wrestlemania...
Brock/Cena was one of the most amazing matches I've ever seen. Brock Lesnar is such a frickin beast. I love how he can come back, work a whole new style, and be just as good as he ever was. He was legitimately scary tonight and seemed like he really WAS beating the hell out of Cena, and I loved seeing the return of the blood. He just looked so dominant I've never seen such a good and legitimate-seeming beatdown before. Though the ending was pretty BS IMO the match itself was just amazing and Brock always manages to pull through in his big matches.
Sheamus/Bryan brought the house down, and Jericho/Punk was awesome as well. Both those matches were better than the Wrestlemania 28 versions and the three main events on this show were ALL over four stars.
Orton/Kane wasn't great but was better than their Mania match, I personally loved Cody/Show and thought the finish was hilarious though I'm biased as a mark for Cody, and Ziggler's so good at bumping that he even had a pretty fun match with Clay. Ryback squash was unnecessary but still pretty fun to watch. Divas match was fine for a divas match and Ive always liked Layla.
10/10 effort from WWE IMO.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 30, 2012 17:12:52 GMT -5
I thought it was a good PPV, but I wouldn't put it near a ten.
I liked:
Big Show/Rhodes - The ending was very unpredictable and enjoyable. For a whole 8 seconds nobody quite knew what just happened and Big Show's face sold it perfectly.
Brock/Cena - Loved the match, HATED the ending. Look, I loathe Cena just as much as any guy who hates wigger culture does and therefore I wish the guy would just go away. No matter how he performs that's all I will ever see him as. Despite that, I feel WWE dropped the ball. They knew a lot of people ordered to see Brock kick ass and win. I sure did. Well, they got the first, not the later. Yes, you can make the point that Cena's win didn't make Brock look any less credible but I just say horseshit to the whole thing. Cena was beat like never before but still pulls it out for the kids! *spits*
CM Punk/Jericho - I used to hate CM Punk. It was hard not to, all the ROHbots whom I also despise made him out to be the greatest wrestler of all time before he even laced up a pair of boots. Well, I admit now that the guy is all that and much more than just a good worker (thus they probably hate him now because the twits think he is too mainstream). He is entertaining and has that "it" element that so many "wrestling machines" always lack. I'm looking at you Benoit. Jericho is Jericho and he didn't fail to deliver and nor did Punk. Best match of the night.
Daniel Bryan/Shemus - Not a fan of this one. Having Bryan get DQ'ed was stupid as hell. Also, we were so sure AJ would have some involvement due to the "foreshadowing" done pre-match. Well, it never happened. I get why you like this one, Freeman. You watch for wrestling. I watch for entertainment.
Ryback is freaking awesome and I approve on all levels. THAT is a wrestler.
Kane/Orton - Horrible match, even by my standards. But who cares about wrestling. Once again Kane is made to look weak after he "re-masked up" and again lives in the 10th level of hell. WWE just doesn't get it. These really bad and evil heels ONLY work if their losses are minimal. Yet last night Kane once again rolls on his back and so does Lesnar.
Faces are winning too much right now.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 30, 2012 17:22:43 GMT -5
Im happy you liked Show/Rhodes because I thought I was alone in that. A lot of people rated really lowly and I thought it was a really fun match with an awesome finish.
As for Orton/Kane....I dunno. IMO Orton really needed a win. I feel like he's been putting over so many upper-midcarders lately. I mean he's lost to Henry, Ziggler, Cody, Wade, and Kane over the past few months, and even if just on Raw or Smackdown that's a lot of losses compared to how protected faces like Cena or Sheamus are. I mean, yeah, faces SHOULDN'T be supermen, but IMO Orton's become such a great wrestler the past year, even better than before, and needed a big win especially after losing at Wrestlemania to Kane. I've just never been a big Kane fan though. I agree monster heels need wins but IMO Lesnar and Henry do a better job of being a monster heel than Kane does. I just don't think Kane, credible or not, really adds too much to WWE at this point.
And yeah I agree on Cena/Lesnar but I'll see where they take it. I don't know why they did it just because Lesnar looked so good last night that he should have gone on a warpath Goldberg-style for a year. I've never seen a wrestling beatdown look so brutal in all my 10 years of watching, and Lesnar just exudes electricity. I am so excited to see who he faces from here though. Still, not even the ending can take away from my enjoyment of the match since I was just so into it the entire time.
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Post by Mark on Apr 30, 2012 19:33:13 GMT -5
WWE has a pretty enjoyable roster at the moment. There are more stand-out personalities than there have been in a few years now, and a lot of the guys in FCW are showing promise. And don't harp about WWE having CAWs when ROH has Davey "No-Sell" Richards and Eddie "Eddie Edwards" Edwards for their main event scene.
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Post by VorteX on May 2, 2012 2:34:21 GMT -5
ROH has always been boring, so that doesn't surprise me. I was just making a statement, I don't see any characters besides Brodus, Tensai, and possibly Santino if you want to go that far.
At this point WWE is still relying too much on the old guard. Kane, Show, Jericho, and Brock are well known by now and basically carried 80% of that PPV. The only match that didn't include someone from the early 2000's was Bryan / Sheamus, and that made me like it a bit more than the others.
I do wonder how much they are paying Cena now, to basically get legit beat down by some guy who left the company 10 or so years ago. Not only that, but the dude had to job to The Rock, who everyone knew wasn't staying around after that match. It isn't even like the Brock loss took him off TV, they had him on RAW the next night...so it makes it even worse. Not sure what the point of booking Cena excessively weak is right now.
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Post by Fallen Souls on May 2, 2012 14:07:52 GMT -5
Ken likes Ryback because Ryback is Mr. 500% with Thunder Train catchphrases.
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Post by Thunderkiss on May 2, 2012 18:37:22 GMT -5
Ken likes Ryback because Ryback is Mr. 500% with Thunder Train catchphrases. RYBACK. He isn't known by a real name. FUCK NO. He is just ... RYBACK. He isn't billed from just any city. FUCK NO. He's from .... SIN CITY. When he is done, he says .... FEED ME MORE. RYBACK = NEXT WORLD CHAMPION.
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Post by TJ on May 4, 2012 19:29:24 GMT -5
I don't know how Show/Cody was unpredictable, I had that happened, albeit a bit differently: Cody hits Show, who is on the apron with a BDK and Show falls through the table. Only difference was Show was still standing. That said I still loved it.
Orton/Kane was the perfect match to start the event. It wasn't great, but it was a brawl, it set the mood for the night.
Sheamus/Bryan some how fit wrestling into a brutal night. I liked it because it wasn't built to be a brutal match like every other match was. Bryan getting DQ made sense to me, honestly, I don't get why heels don't do that more often in these matches. It made his heel persona more defined past annoying, I'm better than you. He showed some ruthlessness.
Punk/Jericho was great because it had a slow build to it. It had the personal battle that WM SHOULD have been.
Cena/Brock, now I was watching with "marks" so they wanted Cena and I wanted Brock but I knew Cena would probably win, why? Cuz he's Cena. But as soon as Brock took it to Cena we all thought Brock was gonna win. That was the first match in a long time that i went in with the feeling Cena was gonna win and thought that he was going to lose by the halfway point. When Brock went over the top, I thought he was legit hurt. He had to be thinking, "OH shit, there goes my money."
I read something earlier that Cena was going to win weeks before because they felt that Brock knew he didn't need WWE and he could just take his ball and go home at any point so they had to put their dog over asap, I don't blame them but they should have told Cena to take some time off. No one in that place has the balls to tell him, "If you were gone for a couple months, we can figure out where we are after you." but no.
Overall, great event, Brodus and Ryback matches were great, didn't know which one would be booked and both were booked, thats a good thng.
and lol at Tex reacting like a run of the mill smark. It wasn't that bad.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on May 10, 2012 11:15:23 GMT -5
and lol at Tex reacting like a run of the mill smark. It wasn't that bad. You say that like it's unexpected. If I had said it it would have been 'OMG CP Y U HATIN'' when in truth it's just the fact that teXmeX is a idiotic cunt.
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Post by VorteX on May 12, 2012 12:21:04 GMT -5
As a side note, I like how CP's whole existence now is to attempt trolling on a board a whole 5 people visit maybe once a week. Nice life there =D.
Anyway, TJ you didn't counter my points about WWE relying on the old guard. If this wasn't the case, Show should never have been IC champion (or even still chasing the damn belt, it's a young man's belt for crying out loud), and Triple H should not have to keep coming out month in and month out and involving himself in storylines in an attempt to 'draw'. I mean, you are telling me there is not ONE person other than Cena that could hold a feud with Brock while Cena is injured? That's sad.
Oh yeah, and they randomly bring Heyman back...hmm wonder why? Oh, right, there are no good loudmouth managers left.
Simple fact is, the new guys cannot seem to carry the company without some kind of aid from the old guard...and the AE ended a LONG time ago.
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Post by Jason Freeman on May 12, 2012 20:00:37 GMT -5
I dunno VorteX, sometimes having some older guys around to generate interest and put over the younger guys is a very good thing.
I mean think about guys like Orton and Edge. They were upper midcarders but now you look at them as main eventers without a doubt. The thing that propelled them to stardom was feuding with these older guys. When I think of Orton I think of his feud with Foley and his match with him at Backlash 2004...there was also his feud with The Undertaker, and Triple H, and HBK. Edge also had a huge feud with HBK when he turned heel, and a memorable feud with Foley. Without those feuds they would probably not be the stars they were today.
To me, Cody Rhodes comes off as a more legitimate star than Dolph Ziggler, the reason being that Cody has feuded with guys like Booker T, and Rey Mysterio, and The Big Show, while Dolph has just faced midcarders his whole career. I think Dolph's awesome but he's not going to come across as a legitimate main eventer until he faces legitimate main eventers. And guys like Triple H bring interest and star power to the show and while he's "older" you can't say he's completely useless as he's had two awesome matches with Taker at Wrestlemania in a row. It's not like he can't work anymore.
Now it's not like I want them to be TNA and bring in a bunch of guys who can barely wrestle anymore (Like when they brought in Nash for example) but I don't see how you can compare Chris Jericho to that. What's wrong with him being around? He has a ton to offer still....his feud with Punk helped put Punk over as more legitimate than he was when he was only beating Ziggler and Miz. And his match at Extreme Rules was awesome so I don't understand what the complaint is.
It's always nice to see for example...Punk vs Bryan about to have a WWE title match at Over the Limit and that's great, but you have to use guys like Show, Jericho, etc, to bring in interest until the newer guys are looked at as the main eventers (Cena, Orton, etc). Punk IMO still needs a big feud to get to that level but the Jericho one helped.
EDIT: And they're doing Brock vs HHH because it will draw a lot of interest and they want to make money. Same reason they did Rock vs Cena. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on May 13, 2012 8:48:30 GMT -5
As a side note, I like how CP's whole existence now is to attempt trolling on a board a whole 5 people visit maybe once a week. Nice life there =D WHAT? I couldn't hear what you said over your mother calling down to you from upstairs. As a side note, I like how CP's whole existence now is to attempt trolling on a board a whole 5 people visit maybe once a week. Nice life there =D Oh, I see. It's amazing how one post a week comprises entire existence. I'm sure this is some physics theory about time, space and existentialism and space that's beyond my comprehension. I wonder what the billion other me's are doing right now.
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Post by VorteX on May 13, 2012 20:42:59 GMT -5
I dunno VorteX, sometimes having some older guys around to generate interest and put over the younger guys is a very good thing. I mean think about guys like Orton and Edge. They were upper midcarders but now you look at them as main eventers without a doubt. The thing that propelled them to stardom was feuding with these older guys. When I think of Orton I think of his feud with Foley and his match with him at Backlash 2004...there was also his feud with The Undertaker, and Triple H, and HBK. Edge also had a huge feud with HBK when he turned heel, and a memorable feud with Foley. Without those feuds they would probably not be the stars they were today. To me, Cody Rhodes comes off as a more legitimate star than Dolph Ziggler, the reason being that Cody has feuded with guys like Booker T, and Rey Mysterio, and The Big Show, while Dolph has just faced midcarders his whole career. I think Dolph's awesome but he's not going to come across as a legitimate main eventer until he faces legitimate main eventers. And guys like Triple H bring interest and star power to the show and while he's "older" you can't say he's completely useless as he's had two awesome matches with Taker at Wrestlemania in a row. It's not like he can't work anymore. Now it's not like I want them to be TNA and bring in a bunch of guys who can barely wrestle anymore (Like when they brought in Nash for example) but I don't see how you can compare Chris Jericho to that. What's wrong with him being around? He has a ton to offer still....his feud with Punk helped put Punk over as more legitimate than he was when he was only beating Ziggler and Miz. And his match at Extreme Rules was awesome so I don't understand what the complaint is. It's always nice to see for example...Punk vs Bryan about to have a WWE title match at Over the Limit and that's great, but you have to use guys like Show, Jericho, etc, to bring in interest until the newer guys are looked at as the main eventers (Cena, Orton, etc). Punk IMO still needs a big feud to get to that level but the Jericho one helped. EDIT: And they're doing Brock vs HHH because it will draw a lot of interest and they want to make money. Same reason they did Rock vs Cena. Nothing wrong with that. Yes, but my problem is they've had forever to build new stars, it just doesn't seem to be happening anymore. I don't even really see the old guys helping too much either, what made Punk a name in my book was that worked shoot, not the Jericho feud. Punk is known for being a 'pipe bomb' not any memorable matches he has had, so sticking him in feuds with semi-retired wrestlers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, I sort of got it with the 'best in the world' thing, but then it went all super serious and started kinda reaching. My main problem is things like Orton/Kane (helps no one), and Cody/Show. Cody/Show is the biggest offender here as it has been drawn out forever, when they could have done something much better. I'm sorry, but 'Big Show Bloopers' was the stupidest feud starter ever, and it continuing on now is super annoying. Also, I kind of agree and disagree about Triple H. On one hand, he's a household name so having him around makes things familiar. On the other hand, I wouldn't say he can still really go anymore, I'm one of the few it seems that saw his last two matches with Taker as nothing more than two old guys trying to be relevant again. Especially Taker...he barely moves around in the ring nowadays. EDIT: Oh, and the whole Brock thing is becoming ironic. On one hand he's touted as this established star coming back to bring the pain....when he obviously needs Heyman to be 'legit' again. I think the Cena angle isn't working out as planned, so they throw HHH in the mix...as they've built Brock up so he'd destroy anyone else, thus little to no feuds are possible with him. He's a scary looking dude, but dead weight in my book. Also, CP...one of these days you are going to wake up and realize you are proving my point with each and every post you make.
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