Jason Freeman
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 4, 2011 17:54:34 GMT -5
Miz FTW. That is all.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 4, 2011 18:17:05 GMT -5
Of the many years I have been watching wrestling, this is one of the most stupidest catch phrases in the history of the sport. Last night's Wrestlemania was pure garbage, and once again the Undertaker saved it from being 100% shittastic like he has the last three years. You had one proven legend, one guy who has the "it" factor despite his polarizing wigger gimmick, and then some milksop who looks like he takes my order at the drive through window. So who walks out the champion on the so called "grandest" stage? The milksop.
Wow. 10-15 years ago they would have done something great like have the Rock win via the help of all the Attitude Era wrestlers and form a new stable but those days are long gone. Instead we have fuckwits who go on message boards and type "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESSSSSSSSSSOME" as if it should bear some significance in the sport's memory. The only thing people will remember about the last decade is that the Titantic sunk and at the helm was Vince who bought everyone out and then SOLD out to the sponsors.
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Post by Reprobate on Apr 5, 2011 12:07:37 GMT -5
Of the many years I have been watching wrestling, this is one of the most stupidest catch phrases in the history of the sport. Last night's Wrestlemania was pure garbage, and once again the Undertaker saved it from being 100% shittastic like he has the last three years. You had one proven legend, one guy who has the "it" factor despite his polarizing wigger gimmick, and then some milksop who looks like he takes my order at the drive through window. So who walks out the champion on the so called "grandest" stage? The milksop. Wow. 10-15 years ago they would have done something great like have the Rock win via the help of all the Attitude Era wrestlers and form a new stable but those days are long gone. Instead we have fuckwits who go on message boards and type "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWESSSSSSSSSSOME" as if it should bear some significance in the sport's memory. The only thing people will remember about the last decade is that the Titantic sunk and at the helm was Vince who bought everyone out and then SOLD out to the sponsors. His name is Mike and he calls himself Awesome... sounds familiar. I wish the new guy would've committed suicide instead though.
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Post by VorteX on Apr 9, 2011 12:49:58 GMT -5
You mean the 'proven legend' who started a 'yabba dabba' chant? Yeah. You might think that the 'awesome' catchphrase is stupid, however it is no different than Rock living on his 'if you smell' catchphrase (and murdering it with the help of Pee Wee).
Also I find it funny you think Cena has the 'it' factor when his only audience is 10 year olds. Last time I checked, crowd reaction between Miz and Cena would make Cena the milksop.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 9, 2011 13:16:22 GMT -5
You mean the 'proven legend' who started a 'yabba dabba' chant? Yeah. You might think that the 'awesome' catchphrase is stupid, however it is no different than Rock living on his 'if you smell' catchphrase (and murdering it with the help of Pee Wee). Also I find it funny you think Cena has the 'it' factor when his only audience is 10 year olds. Last time I checked, crowd reaction between Miz and Cena would make Cena the milksop. Oh look, a Vortex post, the first in like, weeks. Oh wow, it is in direct response to something I said.
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Post by VorteX on Apr 9, 2011 21:44:57 GMT -5
If you have no rebuttal, post something stupid.
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Post by TJ on Apr 10, 2011 11:33:55 GMT -5
Maybe it's the nostalgia wearing off, but The Rock was weak at Mania in my opinion. The venue also hurt as it's always hard to mic the indoor stadiums.
The event, at first, was trash in my opinion save for the Taker/HHH and WHC, which were the only two matches that had my attention from start to end. The double countout finish made me lose my mind. How can a guy who can get DDT'd on the concrete and can get back in the ring before 10 and beat 3 guys, how can that guy tackle a dude over the barricade and NOT answer a ten count?
After thinking about it, it was a solid PPV, but by WM standards, it was terrible, worse than 25 imo.
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Post by El Shadowo on Apr 10, 2011 11:58:10 GMT -5
The double countout finish made me lose my mind. How can a guy who can get DDT'd on the concrete and can get back in the ring before 10 and beat 3 guys, how can that guy tackle a dude over the barricade and NOT answer a ten count? Welcome to The John Cena Experience: Walking Kayfabe Destruction Monster....
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Apr 10, 2011 13:04:12 GMT -5
If you have no rebuttal, post something stupid. Something stupid.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 10, 2011 13:15:25 GMT -5
There's no way it was worse than 25. The best matches were Taker/HHH, then Orton/Punk (Punk is so charismatic even the slow parts of his match don't feel boring, love him, and their styles clashed perfectly, great cheimstry), and Cody/Rey (Awesome seeing Cody get the much needed win, he really needed it.) Edge/del Rio was pretty good as well, and Miz defending for the first heel win in over 10 years was amazing, I marked out insanely. My god, he needed that, but I didnt think they'd give it, and they did! That was a MUCH MUCH MUCH needed victory.
What I liked about this PPV was that EVERY SINGLE MATCH had the right result. The only debatable one IMO was the stupid Corre match, but I didnt mind that since they needed a nice face win on the show. IMO literally EVERY match had the right winner, and eveybody who needed a victory got one. That was what I liked about the PPV most of all, there were no moments like at WM25, HHH destroying Orton's momentum.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 10, 2011 13:41:40 GMT -5
If you have no rebuttal, post something stupid. Kind of like how you ignored my noticing of your stalkerish tendencies. This is great, though. The two posts you have in this topic pretty much define your presence here since you first signed up years ago. 1. Your obsession with me. 2. Your tendency of being a hypocrite.
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Post by VorteX on Apr 10, 2011 18:55:25 GMT -5
Could say the same about you, as each of your three posts prove how much of an idiot you are. Also, who else was I supposed to reply to? I agree with Freeman, and Rep posted some 'hurr durr ECW' reply that really needed no follow up as it is self-containing.
You were the only one to post something idiotic of length, so I figure I'd add to the discussion. Seeing how I am right, you immediately post off-topic crap to cover up your views, as you have no credible means of sustaining them.
So...yeah, just stop watching wrestling.
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Post by TJ on Apr 10, 2011 22:31:51 GMT -5
There's no way it was worse than 25. The best matches were Taker/HHH, then Orton/Punk (Punk is so charismatic even the slow parts of his match don't feel boring, love him, and their styles clashed perfectly, great cheimstry), and Cody/Rey (Awesome seeing Cody get the much needed win, he really needed it.) Edge/del Rio was pretty good as well, and Miz defending for the first heel win in over 10 years was amazing, I marked out insanely. My god, he needed that, but I didnt think they'd give it, and they did! That was a MUCH MUCH MUCH needed victory. What I liked about this PPV was that EVERY SINGLE MATCH had the right result. The only debatable one IMO was the stupid Corre match, but I didnt mind that since they needed a nice face win on the show. IMO literally EVERY match had the right winner, and eveybody who needed a victory got one. That was what I liked about the PPV most of all, there were no moments like at WM25, HHH destroying Orton's momentum. SOOOOO MUUUUUCHH WRRRRROOOOONNNNNGGGG! First off, if you look down at the results and you'll think that everything that should have happened, did. Except for the 8 man tag and Cole/Lawler, but what makes a match is not what the end result is but how you get to the end. ADR/Edge was a ok match. Cody and Rey was an good match, well paced and good spots. Cole vs Lawler and the 8 man tag were tied for worst written matches. The Corre looked weak as hell and Cole got away scotch free compared to what should have happened. Orton and Punk was not the show stealer it should have been. Taker and HHH was the best written match, because they got to call it. Miz vs Cena was not good imo. It should have been better. Miz only won because The Rock got involved. He didn't get the win he needed the win he needed was a clean, decisive win over Cena. The PPV isn't always about the end results. It about balancing what the crowd wants and what WWE needs: They needed to build new names and they didn't, end of story. The miz comes out the champ but comes out as an Asterisk. ADR comes out a loser. The only new face they came out looking better than they did going in was Cody and thats because Rey wanted a match with Cody and wanted to put him over. Compare the cards and results of 25 and 27. WM25 Triple H def Randy Orton Undertaker def HBK Cena def The Big Show and Edge Jericho def WWE Legends Punk wins MITB Primo and Carlito def Miz and Morrison Rey def JBL Santina wins that diva match Matt hardy def Jeff Hardy WM27 Miz def Cena Taker def HHH Cole def Lawler Team Shore def Team Vickie Orton def Punk Cody def Rey Show's team def Corre Edge def ADR Khali won battle royal Now tell me how 27 ISN'T worse than 25. 27 booked the US title match and it didn't happen at all after it got pushed to the dark match.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 11, 2011 0:28:54 GMT -5
You bring up Sheamus/Bryan being bumped as a mark against WM27, but remember that WM25 actually bumped off the tag title match between Morrison/Miz and Carlito/Primo and that was a match that was built up significantly more than Sheamus/Bryan was (Which really had no buildup at all.) The tag title match at WM25 was actually one of my two or three most anticipated matchup and it had tons of pretty funny buildup to it on the Dirt Sheet and then on Smackdown, it was a well builtup match with a feud behind it and then was off the show. At least Sheamus/Bryan had no feud at all besides "I want my rematch" *Kick* So while I was very angry it got bumped off the card, 25 comes up worse there.
Also the Corre match was a horrible squash match but WM25 had one too. JBL vs Rey, it lasted about 30 seconds despite being an IC title match (Which left them with just two LEGIT title matches, just as happened at WM27.) And I believe the HHH/Orton main event was pretty detrimental to Orton. It took him a while to recover from that loss. Orton should have won that match with Taker/HBK main eventing, would have made WM25 a lot better, but whatever.
I disagree with Orton/Punk being dissapointing, I believe the feud will continue past this point for a couple months (It has too much potential not to, their styles mesh so well both in AND out of the ring.) and I was more than happy with the match. I have no problem with starting a feud at Wrestlemania (So it has that "Never seen this match really before" feeling to it, but still has time to continue and get more awesome in the upcoming months) as long as they deliver. Punk/Rey was a bad example of this last year as it was too short and unimpressive, and just seemed like cheap after the buildup. Punk vs Orton was great IMO, I loved it, and yes it has potential for more show-stealing between the two, but they will get to that Id assume next month or this month.
Anyways, yeah the Corre result was bad but it really doesnt matter in the long run because they'll continue doing what they're doing on Smackdown and the never-ending Big Show feud will continue with both teams getting more wins as it goes on, getting the Corre over was not really a high priority right now IMO.
And basically you're right, there has to be a balance between what the WWE wants and what the fans want, and that's why what I was most interested in was how the results were going to be divided between Edge/Del Rio, Cena/Miz, Orton/Punk, and Cody/Rey. It was obvious that Del Rio and Miz would NOT both be going over. It was also obvious that Punk and Cody would probably not both be going over two of the WWE's top faces, though both could argue that they needed the win. Do you go with Punk, who has yet to really beat a legit star in a high-profile match in a VERY long time or Cody who would look good just by being in there with Rey? And do you give Miz the win or Del Rio? IMO WWE made the PERFECT choices and here's why.
As for Punk vs Cody, I really dont think Punk needs to win at all at this stage, I think it's a testament to how good he is that people want to see him get beaten so badly, and I think Orton getting the win over him was a nice happy ending to a match that the fans got very excited for. Punk winning would have been nice, but Cody needed it more. This is his first high profile match ever and he's been doing an awesome job, and REALLY has a chance to become a MAJOR player on Smackdown, and this legitimizes him a LOT. He had a lot more to gain, and Punk didnt lose any momentum from this IMO, and will keep any heat he had before, and any lost will easily be won back by torturing Randy in the weeks to come.
Miz vs Del Rio is the really hard one. I honestly am one who thinks Del Rio has been pushed too fast. I dont think he is ready for the world title, nor do I think he needed it yet. The Rumble win was cool but I dont think he's catching with the fans, his schtick is getting a LITTLE bit old, and while I believe there is room for him to become interesting in the future, I dont think a del Rio title run is a good choice right now. I think Del Rio very well may win it soon, but I dont think he earned the Mania win yet.
As for Miz, let me draw discussion to this point above all, because it is one of my biggest pet peeves recently. The whole "Miz should have had a clean win" "Miz looked like an afterthought" etc. I would like to discuss this because I don't see it that way at all.
First of all, how would it make sense at all for Miz to win cleanly against CENA? That is completely actually OUT OF CHARACTER. Nobody would believe it or take it seriously, does the guy LOOK like he could beat Cena? Since when is he able to cleanly beat one of the top 3 top wrestlers (in kayfabe) on the roster? It would make no sense and be just strange...what people don't seem to get is that MIZ IS A HEEL. And he's the undeserving heel, the weak heel, the heel that SHOULD NOT be champion. It's where his heat COMES from. He has the belt but he isnt supposed to, and it's almost a disgrace to see it on him, yet he believes he's the greatest wrestler in history....hmm...who does that sound like...perhaps a certain wrestling god?
Does anybody remember JBL's title reign? The guy held it for 10 months and it seems to be generally considered (For me definitely) one of the best WWE title reigns since the brand split. Do people forget how many times JBL won it cleanly? I mean look back to his pay-per-view matches, his ENTIRE heat came from facing people that SHOULD have beaten him, but SOMEHOW AGAINST ALL ODDS he got completely LUCKY and held onto the belt. He wasnt even good enough half the time to cheat HIMSELF to get it, he just got LUCKY. For example...he WON the belt even less impressively than the Miz did. Eddie Guerrero pushed his shoulder into the turnbuckle in a Texas Bullrope match while trying to jump past him (revealed after you thought Eddie defended through instant replay) to win. I mean, the guy won by literally standing there and getting lucky that Eddie screwed up.
The guy would go on to stuff lottery ballots full of Shannon Moore (Or someone like that), defend on Pay-per-view in a cage match by BEING CHOKESLAMMED THROUGH THE RING AND CRAWLING OUT (one of my favorite finishes from that time period), and sometimes from guys interfering in his match who had nothing to do with him, and then he luckily picks up the pinfall. And this guy had to face Taker, Booker, and Eddie in a fatal four way, yet somehow he wins and considers himself still a wrestling god. It was a awesome awesome heel reign, and he didnt get any clean wins or credibility to speak of, it's why he was SO HATED.
The Miz is emulating that right now. He never defends cleanly, and by all means he SHOULDNT be the champion, and yet somehow he is. If he beat Cena cleanly at wrestlemania that would kill the whole character. In fact I think the genius of the move comes in the fact that he CHEATED to win the main event of Mania. That he got that lucky defense against the WWE's TOP Guy in the most important match slot of the entire wrestling year, something that JBL had never even done.
Think back to July of this year. Miz was in the Money in the Bank match. He seemed a likely choice but there was still a lot of doubt that he would ever get a title run. So much so that when he DID win the MITB many thought he would be the first to lose his cash-in opportunity (especially likely with the "Two MITB winners" that year (Three actually with Swagger.) But no, Miz cashes in and wins the WWE title. Wow, some people were shocked. At that point though, even his supporters doubted he would get to main event Mania, most thought he would lose it at the Rumble, or in a Chamber match. I mean it was 5 months before Mania. Then Miz continues and soon it became obvious that he WAS going to be defending at Mania.
THEN people assumed he would never get the main event spot. And after that, still, most EVERYONE assumed he would NEVER defend at Mania, after all a heel hadnt done it in ten years and it's THE MIZ of all people, and he's had a five month reign (Longest WWE title reign in like 3 years) so it seemed obvious he was going to lose, ESPECIALLY when his match was going on last. But then somehow THE MIZ actually manages to break the face streak and win the main event of Mania in something NOBODY would have seen coming a year ago and BARELY anybody saw coming even days before the PPV.
Now, that is a shocking move, IMO. Cena was even undefeated in Mania 1-on-1 matches for 8 Manias (He's beaten Big Show, Batista, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, JBL...quite the impressive list.) So now Miz can go out to that ring, and say in all honesty that he has beaten JOHN CENA, the WWE's poster boy, in the MAIN EVENT OF WRESTLEMANIA, and the first one to do so in fact. And that he is proving that he IS the greatest wrestler ever, of all time, etc.
It's where the heel heat comes from, and it doesnt make him look weak. It legitimizes his heel reign by giving him the faith of carrying past Mania and defending there, and IMO helps him a TON gain credible heat. I think it was a great finish, and will make him epicly detestable, and that a clean win would have killed his character completely. The second he looks like he TRULY deserves the belt it's ruined. Now of course they can give him MINOR boosts (which they have, with him kicking out of the AA, showing an impressive side) but he should never look like he could ever stand a chance in a match against Orton and Cena. The fun comes from people tuning in to watch him face the next impossible challenge, knowing for sure he'll lose his belt, and watching miz be able to walk out of there holding it in their face that yes he DID beat them, and yes he IS still champion. IMO the more unfair, lucky, and detestable the means of victory, the more seething the fans will be, and the better.
Feel free to argue if you want, but IMO the ending was great, and the cheap win was the way to go. And yes I think he needed that more than del Rio needed a title win. The Miz has worked INSANELY hard all year to improve and deserved to be legitimized. Del Rio will have his moment, (Possibly at Extreme Rules, though I dont think he should) but Miz was the correct call and while MATCH QUALITY wise the match was not the best, neither was WM25's main event. This one though elevated one man, while that buried another.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 11, 2011 0:30:38 GMT -5
Wow that was long <_< Didn't realize beforehand. Whatever, I am passionate about The Miz >_>.
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