VorteX
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Post by VorteX on Aug 12, 2010 23:28:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately TNA had to prove this tonight. The show was awful and now we get to see Zombie ECW #58 or so.
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Post by Dan White on Aug 13, 2010 0:26:39 GMT -5
TK, I clearly meant within the past five years or so, since TNA took off.
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TJ
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Post by TJ on Aug 13, 2010 0:33:06 GMT -5
I do agree that good stories are important as well, but TNA really has neither <_< The WWE is where to go for stories. Nothing in wrestling is more epic than matches like HBK vs Flair at WM 24 and Taker vs Michaels at WM 26. But since TNA CANT do that, they might as well play to what they can, like X-division wrestling. There is a huge portion of the audience that are young kids that just watch WWE, and they've never seen it before. I know that's what hooked ME on TNA back in the day like six years ago. I had never seen anything like what they were doing before. I can't tell you how moronic this post is, Freeman. WWE have done the same old storyline up until now. For half of the year all the world title fueds were: You have title, I want it. This is the first time all year we have a world title match that isn't surrounding by, YOU HAVE TITLE, I WANT TITLE! And that's Kane vs Rey. Look at it. It's a good storyline, Kane started this angle of revenge back in may, he didn't have the world title, he wasn't targeting the world title until MITB when he cashed it in, and then later said that it was Rey. There is more than you have title, I want title. The best storyline in WWE atm is Cena vs Nexus for the simple fact, Cena has not been made out to be Superman. The Nexus has gotten the best of Cena more times than Cena has, and when Cena has, it hasn't been that impressive. The Handicap match comes to mind, sure Cena no sold all their finishers and attacked, but did he lay anyone out? no, Nexus still was about to get him until Sheamus came out. RAW has been great in the absence of HHH, you see Cena out of the title picture helping 7+ get over more than they started out at. I say 7+ because R-Truth has been getting more tv time than he was with during his feud with The Miz. He's getting mic time. Then there is Morrison who while not great on the mic, still is getting time with a purpose rather than just being in a match. We have seen Evan bourne getting put over by feuding with Jericho for a bit. The Miz is getting a push it seems. And to the point that TK made how great wrestlers were taken from other places, it's true, but the amount of places to take from are EXTREMELY limited. WWE has to either take from ROH or TNA and half the people that work there are either too happy with being where they are (Davey Richards for example) or are afraid of wasting their time in WWE or being misused. Honestly, pro wrestling is becoming less and less mainstream despite attempts by WWE. The bigger UFC gets, the more pro wrestling will be come a novelty. Even me, I don't watch half as much as I use to. I watch RAW live, ROH on HDNet and SD! on DVR. I don't watch TNA either because I have become less and less entertained by it. I mean, woo-hoo RVD is champion. I don't care for RVD as champion. TNA is to me, AJ, Abyss, Angle, Joe, etc. Unlike other people that don't watch TNA, I don't hate TNA nor do I want it to die, I wish it would compete with WWE, but it's gonna be awhile and taking shots at WWE for no reason when WWE doesn't see him as a threat isn't helping. I was looking on other forums and somone posted an interview SCSA did. I'll post it later, but someone posted later in it that it makes sense after reading what SCSA said and something else that was posted. WWE's move is to gain younger fans that when they begin to grow up to 14 to 18 to 22, the WWE should move closer to the Attitude era, but not the same. It would be similar to how it went from 94-97 to 97-01 that change. That's my post on this subject(s)
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Post by TJ on Aug 13, 2010 0:57:03 GMT -5
Wait, TK, why did you post b.w.o? that wasn't Vince that was ECW. And whats the Flair vid?
Wait, Hogan dominated three eras, I count WM 1 to about the point where they started being the "new generation of WWE" as one era, then the New Generation Era, then Attitude.
And Freeman, the point you don't see is wrestling is a copy cat business. It's rare when someone comes up with something original, and when they do and it works, it's copied. Hogan was the original, Austin and The Rock put their own touches on what Hogan did to stand out. The reason why Cena and Orton are getting shit for being "generic" is because they haven't done anything that makes them stand out. Austin had Austin 3:16, the beer bashes, the middle finger, and his attitude in general to stand out. Rock had his multiple catchphrases, his mannerisms, and The People's Elbow. If anything The Rock is more like Hogan than Cena is like Hogan. Rock had a limited moveset, but the moves he did, he made them his own. How many titles did he win with a simple elbow drop? How many did Hogan win with a simple leg drop?
Cena is like Hogan, but imo is a better "wrestler" than Hogan was. But the fact that Hogan came first is what turns people against Cena and when people say, "But Hogan did the same thing", Hogan did it first, and better. Orton gets crap because he is like SCSA, but SCSA did it first and better. It's different era of the world, different product. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they can either watch it or stop.
I dunno who else is on teh WWE board regularly on Gamefaqs, but I'm tired of seeing people complain about the current product, but continue watching it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. And I'm happy, from what I see, that TK isn't really watching it consistently and he talks about what he knows. I also hate when people rip into the current product without watching it (certain people represent a bigger portion of hatred than others).
Ok, theres my rant
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Aug 13, 2010 12:12:30 GMT -5
Wait, TK, why did you post b.w.o? that wasn't Vince that was ECW. And whats the Flair vid? Wait, Hogan dominated three eras, I count WM 1 to about the point where they started being the "new generation of WWE" as one era, then the New Generation Era, then Attitude. Pre WM, Rock and Wrestling, NWO Three eras.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Aug 13, 2010 12:18:17 GMT -5
Nothing in wrestling is more epic than matches like HBK vs Flair at WM 24 and Taker vs Michaels at WM 26. But since TNA CANT do that Those matches were solid, but in my opinion, ROH puts on matches just as good for the match value. What made them better, and MotY's was the story behind it. I'm presuming that's what you're getting at, which in turn contradicts every post you've made so far where in you've said TNA needs to focus on great wrestling. As far as TNA not being able to do it, sure they can. Joe vs. Angle ring a bell? That entire trilogy was awesome, even though it tapered off towards the end. If they had spaced it out a bit more that would be the greatest 3 match series ever. TNA has the capacity to do something similar, they just need to get shit in order. Heyman said he'd only come to work for TNA if he could have a five year guarantee, with a five year plan. If TNA would book with an eye to the future, instead of the present day, each week. It'd be great. You're supporting the Beer Money v. MCMG, (which I find utterly contrived five gimmick matches in a row is absolutely stupid. They should have had four regular, with a gimmick match at the end) which in many ways, is booked with an eye for the next six weeks. If TNA took that sort of focus to everything, they'd be great. They also need to trim the roster and not have so many guys. Keep twenty men and give them as much air time as possible to push.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Aug 13, 2010 16:32:10 GMT -5
I never said there was anything wrong with stories. I said TNA should focus on wrestling because it's what makes them different and what they are good at, when their weak point is clearly their storylines.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Aug 13, 2010 19:44:00 GMT -5
I never said there was anything wrong with stories. I said TNA should focus on wrestling because it's what makes them different and what they are good at, when their weak point is clearly their storylines. Yes, and in response you cited four guys who were big in TK's era that you criticize and were made infinitely better by the stories they told. If you want to see 'wrestling' watch ROH on HDnet because what they do is better than TNA.
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Post by worldbreaker on Aug 13, 2010 23:26:25 GMT -5
Wait, TK, why did you post b.w.o? that wasn't Vince that was ECW. And whats the Flair vid? I made a mistake in posting the b.W.o video in that I did not properly caption it like I was supposed to. It slipped my mind as I made the list and my point was to show that other federations besides WWE copied and put down their competition on air. They ALL did. That was the status quo and WILL be the status quo once the WWE is threatened. If Vince's balls start getting stepped on you can pretty much damn well bet that they will go back to a mature format and start taking pot shots at their competition. The Flair video was his debut on WWE programming after MANY years in the NWA and early WCW. But besides that, look at the title that Bobby Heenan is holding. Yes, that is the NWA/WCW World Title which was carried over to the WWE in a storyline. In real life this infuriated a lot of people and it was a direct shot by the WWE. Also, Dan, as you might have read on I said I knew you would say that. See paragraph one. My point is that the WWE has done that and WILL do it again someday when they are fighting it out in the ratings.
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Post by Dan White on Aug 14, 2010 23:55:59 GMT -5
broken record.jpg.
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Post by runaway on Aug 24, 2010 2:19:16 GMT -5
So um...after a three minute dance session with the FBI....the referee decided to help Kid Kash and get on his knees so Kash could springboard outside the ring... I am confused. Delayed, I know. But IIRC, Kash has always done the referee on all fours to assist in springboard spot. He did it at the first ONS.
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Post by Silencio/The Dan on Apr 5, 2011 14:02:06 GMT -5
I bump this topic due to the fact that i just saw this topic and thought the arguments were very interesting
*Crawls back into hole in the wall*
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Post by Jason Freeman on Apr 9, 2011 12:55:07 GMT -5
Not much has changed since this topic, TNA still has the exact same problems it did then, with the Knockouts belts and TV title becoming even more useless somehow. The TV title is randomly off of TV for months and after over a year I still dunno what kind of title it's supposed to be....and as for the Knockouts Tag Team titles, when like 2/4 of your previous champions were off TV for months and then got released while still champion that's a problem. WHEN YOU THEN INSTEAD OF JUST DROPPING THE BELTS HOLD A TOURNAMENT TO BRING THEM BACK AND NEGLET THME AGAIN...YOU HAVE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM.
Roster still too big, etc, etc, etc, guys being left off TV for months before showing up out of nowhere. Angle/Jarrett/Karen Angle being horrible...ugh. At least they finally turned Fortune face and brought Daniels back. I also don't hate Bully Ray like a lot of people do I think he does a pretty good job.
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