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Post by Latino on Dec 12, 2009 11:16:44 GMT -5
And that's ok. Worry about the people that are here now instead of who may or may not come tomorrow.
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Post by worldbreaker on Dec 12, 2009 11:20:59 GMT -5
And that's ok. Worry about the people that are here now instead of who may or may not come tomorrow. But it isn't okay. The guys that are here aren't doing anything and don't care. That's why we are having this whole discussion. Everyone's care cup is empty and this fed has not recruited new people to take the place of those who have moved on. It's running on fumes now and in this day and age, you just can't find people that are going to come in and bring enthusiasm.
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Post by Latino on Dec 12, 2009 11:36:19 GMT -5
Why aren't people doing? Why don't they care?
You want to know why? It's because it's not fun anymore. I can tell and I barely come here. There isn't a sense of community or family, not from what I can see. So, what happens when you feel no connection? You lose interest and motivation. And it doesn't matter how many new people you get. You can get 12 new members tomorrow all amazing writers. If they don't feel that connection and that fun atmosphere they'll be gone just as fast as they showed up.
So, again as I said work with the people that are still here before you worry about the people that will come here.
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Post by TJ on Dec 12, 2009 11:49:45 GMT -5
Wait whose job was it to recruit people onthe acw team? The problem from my stance is 1. Lack of desire among many people here and 2. Whenever something starts up everyones with it but then when something is done, no body cares to go back. The last post I remember in the recuitung board was someone sayin that other than gamefaqs there wasn't any places that we could go to for new people. And that was it. Nothin else and the acw team forum has been dead since and there the "fall" has started.
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Post by Latino on Dec 12, 2009 11:54:03 GMT -5
When ACW first started I used to post anywhere I could find about ACW. Though after a while we settled at Gamefaqs since at the time it was rich with people.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 12, 2009 12:02:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't warm to a Championship Committee, just my opinion. To me if you have a title you're perfectly entitled to defend it against whoever you want. Kind of agree, though maybe instead of a committee, it would be easier to just have the mods ok it? Otherwise you could potentially have a champ who deliberatly picks weaker opponents. I don't think you need a special group for it though. I don't know what way the mods board works, but surely if the champs proposed their next challangers after every PPV, a topic could be made where the mods could ok everything? My only thing with that is because we have competing mods, although I'm sure there is no bias that could go there. I know now there's no problem with the top people getting the shot, but I'm saying that idea if the roster beefs back up as I stated to the twenty guys we still have around the fed. You're running into scenarios where the belt is going to be kept on the same guys, regardless of who is writing the best. The committee removes any of this which has blackballed a number of people, I know in talking to TK and BK, more than a few people have left because they feel like they've got nowhere to go because they can't get a title shot because they're not buddies with the champion. The committee removes that and it becomes like an RP based fed where you have to work your way to the top. I honestly feel I could write utter shit over the next three months and message up the champ and probably get a worlds title feud and that'd not be fair to the Panthers of the world who might get looked over because there writing is consistent but not often HOLY SHIT THAT'S AMAZING (hopefully you don't take offense JDM, I enjoy the feuds you put on, even if they all do end in gimmick matches) It creates a balance that isn't there at the time being. As far as Dan, yes you can feud with who you want, that's fine and dandy to build yourself up to the title, in fact that's the way to go because you write better when it's someone your friends with and can talk to. Once you get the belt however you owe it to the fed to do something. I mean, Freeman asked Senator for a post OE feud and manage to luck his way into the title and no one bought him as a potential champion and that hurt their storyline in a way. With a Championship Committee that kind of thing hopefully wouldn't happen, well it won't unless we put Blago on it. As far as advertising, in a way I'd stop billing ourselves as an E-fed and maybe call it a wrestling RPG where you and a partner strive to write the best feud and we can appeal to the RPG community which is GROWING, not shrinking. We can bring these people in as writers and mould them into e-fedders in a way, if they have problems we can hold their hands like Latino said and if they only have a clue for a character, none of the wrestling stuff we can get Senny on the moveset's and if he falls behind I'm sure there are others who could step in, Mainer is good with movesets, I like to think I've gotten pretty good at it from listening to Senator natter at me etc. Like I said in my last diatribe, we can survive, ACW can survive if we put in the effort, that being said, while we're all discussing this, I'm not really seeing any "effort" to make it better and I believe that's why TK is where he is. I've not gotten any PM's from anyone asking for a site or two to advertise or anything like that. I said I'd be willing to help out on those fronts if we got a group of people dedicated to it, TK and I tried it on our lonesome at a few places but that's not going to work. Like TK said, it's all talk right now and we don't need bark, we need bite at the moment if we're going to survive.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 12, 2009 12:07:49 GMT -5
Wait whose job was it to recruit people onthe acw team? The problem from my stance is 1. Lack of desire among many people here and 2. Whenever something starts up everyones with it but then when something is done, no body cares to go back. The last post I remember in the recuitung board was someone sayin that other than gamefaqs there wasn't any places that we could go to for new people. And that was it. Nothin else and the acw team forum has been dead since and there the "fall" has started. I know TK through up an add on The Squared Circle but it died, I know I joined a fuckin' creative writing club at school but then with my knee problems and what all I kind of fell off their. I know TK and I have talked to old fedding friends about ACW as well but then when it was obvious no one else was really helping we said what's the point. Bad attitude maybe, but advertisement has to be a fed wide concerted effort, not something that can be done by two people. Look at how many people we got on ECF from just bombarding the hell out of people posting on gamefaqs, if we got fifteen people to sign up and participate a bit in fed hubs and then did the same there we'd be fine. Two people though whoring a fed on them doesn't even get you a sniff. Same with how many people we got from the top site lists that on the front page are 90% Real wrestler feds, if we're the only Created Wrestler fed on them, we WILL get traffic, but Kenny and I voting twice a day doesn't work.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Dec 12, 2009 12:10:45 GMT -5
While yes we need to advertise, do you really think we want THIS to be the first thing a new person sees? Let's get a good show going get OURSELVES up to the level that we can be it, because these very same people on the roster were having solid shows just a month ago. THEN we can try to bring new people in. Nobody will join if they think we're about to die any second. Let's start running like normal. People, start taking matches, start writing segments...in fact, for this next show we should aim to at least write more segments than we may have had it just been a normal show. Aim for two at least maybe three or four if you have the means to.
Because we need to be on standing ground before we advertise. I think we can pull through this, I really do. It just takes us to believe we can, and try to.
Edit: Also if you want people voting on these sites, be more public about it! Have a mod send a mass PM or post it on the boards, how are we supposed to vote if we don't know you've even done this?!
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 12, 2009 12:21:58 GMT -5
Edit: Also if you want people voting on these sites, be more public about it! Have a mod send a mass PM or post it on the boards, how are we supposed to vote if we don't know you've even done this?! Maybe because we haven't. All of this was done when you couldn't be arsed for ACW, and no one else was pitching in so we gave up. Let's start running like normal. People, start taking matches, start writing segments...in fact, for this next show we should aim to at least write more segments than we may have had it just been a normal show. Aim for two at least maybe three or four if you have the means to. Come on Freeman ya fuckin' hypocrite, two months ago you couldn't arsed with ACW, wouldn't even write one simple summary match because you were taking a break and didn't want to write. Now when other people don't want to write you're all come on guys, let's do this, write write write, I'm ready to come back so let's write. If it was someone like Torak saying this who really stepped up when we needed him, I'd be motivated, but ya, fuck naw, all I can say is you're a selfish son of a bitch who's only concerned for this fed when it benefits you. I know this could be said in a PM or MSN but that doesn't do anything with you because you're never in the wrong. Same thing with TK leaving to create SLA he was trying to kill ACW but during your break when you weren't writing you couldn't be assed to throw up a few ad's at some place to help ACW but could spend an hour on MSN bashing Kenny for trying to destroy ACW and totally ignoring us when we said something like you could be using this time writing a match or advertising but now I'm on break from ACW. Well guess fuckin' what, if Kenny or I want to be on break from ACW, then that's our perogative and if you even argue it, it's going to make you look alot worse. You're exactly like Rep but you don't flame people. Good fuckin' day.
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Post by BK London on Dec 12, 2009 12:25:10 GMT -5
I've got an idea, how about we chat about this whole issue today at 4pm EST? It would be quicker and probably a lot more helpful. Or maybe at a different time, depending on when most people can show up
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Post by thesinner on Dec 12, 2009 12:27:36 GMT -5
Edit: Also if you want people voting on these sites, be more public about it! Have a mod send a mass PM or post it on the boards, how are we supposed to vote if we don't know you've even done this?! Maybe because we haven't. All of this was done when you couldn't be arsed for ACW, and no one else was pitching in so we gave up. Let's start running like normal. People, start taking matches, start writing segments...in fact, for this next show we should aim to at least write more segments than we may have had it just been a normal show. Aim for two at least maybe three or four if you have the means to. Come on Freeman ya fuckin' hypocrite, two months ago you couldn't arsed with ACW, wouldn't even write one simple summary match because you were taking a break and didn't want to write. Now when other people don't want to write you're all come on guys, let's do this, write write write, I'm ready to come back so let's write. If it was someone like Torak saying this who really stepped up when we needed him, I'd be motivated, but ya, fuck naw, all I can say is you're a selfish son of a bitch who's only concerned for this fed when it benefits you. I know this could be said in a PM or MSN but that doesn't do anything with you because you're never in the wrong. Same thing with TK leaving to create SLA he was trying to kill ACW but during your break when you weren't writing you couldn't be assed to throw up a few ad's at some place to help ACW but could spend an hour on MSN bashing Kenny for trying to destroy ACW and totally ignoring us when we said something like you could be using this time writing a match or advertising but now I'm on break from ACW. Well guess fuckin' what, if Kenny or I want to be on break from ACW, then that's our perogative and if you even argue it, it's going to make you look alot worse. You're exactly like Rep but you don't flame people. Good fuckin' day. Chris Phenomenal often praises my writing abilities and the way I bluntly explain things to people or the way in which I communicate and cut through the ice quickly. This right here is an outstanding example of why CP is one of my favourite posters here on the board, there is no way I could've come even remotely close to saying that as well as you did. Outstanding Phenomenal, outfuckingstanding. You encapsulated in one paragraph everything about me that burns in hatred for Freeman. Thank you, you've done me a service.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 12, 2009 12:33:38 GMT -5
I've got an idea, how about we chat about this whole issue today at 4pm EST? It would be quicker and probably a lot more helpful. Or maybe at a different time, depending on when most people can show up 4 PM works fine for me, assuming I don't fall asleep before then.
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Post by thesinner on Dec 12, 2009 12:39:15 GMT -5
I've got an idea, how about we chat about this whole issue today at 4pm EST? It would be quicker and probably a lot more helpful. Or maybe at a different time, depending on when most people can show up As much as this is a grand idea, I'm afraid I can't make it. Though my opinion isn't worth a huge amount right now (according to VorteX and his recent returns idea) I'll be unable to contribute any ideas as I'll be drinking my own bodyweight in Olde English Cider at a friends eighteenth. Gonna' drink 'til I'm sick, dead, pregnant or all of the above. Absolutely behemothed. If we can put this off to some other time though, I'll gladly attend then.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Dec 12, 2009 12:40:44 GMT -5
Oh, please. The difference is that before when I was taking a break there was no consideration of closing ACW, and it seemed to be pretty steady while not up to its former self, it didnt seem ready to collapse any second. I didnt know that this lack of interest was happening. Had I known how bad things were, I would have come back sooner. The fact is, I didn't. Now, however, everybody knows. So while before I could have taken a break because ACW was stable, right now it isnt, so dont act like it's the same thing CP. Because right now, we can't take a break. Things weren't this bad a month ago and if they were nobody alerted me.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 12, 2009 12:41:10 GMT -5
I've got an idea, how about we chat about this whole issue today at 4pm EST? It would be quicker and probably a lot more helpful. Or maybe at a different time, depending on when most people can show up As much as this is a grand idea, I'm afraid I can't make it. Though my opinion isn't worth a huge amount right now (according to VorteX and his recent returns idea) I'll be unable to contribute any ideas as I'll be drinking my own bodyweight in Olde English Cider at a friends eighteenth. Gonna' drink 'til I'm sick, dead, pregnant or all of the above. Absolutely behemothed. If we can put this off to some other time though, I'll gladly attend then. Come on Mainer, ya know if ya came you'd scare half the fed away. Seriously though if you can't make it, I get your proxy.
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