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Post by VorteX on Dec 11, 2009 15:19:54 GMT -5
It does kind of irk me that people who have done nothing in recent months to help ACW (sorry but those of you who went on hiatus and are 'coming back' now fall into this category) and people who are supposed to be gone but still post here OOC, talk about the 'fall' of ACW. I can see those who have been active here losing a little steam, however if you haven't been here or have done nothing to help sustain ACW then I don't see a point in posting these types of things.
It's one thing if we have all moved on and want to close the place because of no interest, and it is quite another to blame it on a bunch of events that are in the past and call the situation 'unfixible'.
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Post by BK London on Dec 11, 2009 15:27:02 GMT -5
You tell her VorteX!
<_<
EDIT: But honestly, and I was just telling Rena this, if you guys want to keep it open it's ok with me. I was just commenting from the way I observed things going on in ACW. Plus other people have echoed my feelings.
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Post by Yoko Satoshi on Dec 11, 2009 17:05:37 GMT -5
I will never support a final epic show.
If it were to happen though, I want to write the final segment.
But it won't reach that point...ever. EVER.
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Post by worldbreaker on Dec 11, 2009 18:02:12 GMT -5
I think we should do a finale for those ready to move on.
If a few guys want to keep it open after that, let them. Give them the keys.
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Post by The Senator on Dec 11, 2009 18:29:23 GMT -5
I want things to go on as long as we possibly can keep it running. I know that I have compounded some of the problems by not being as active or accessable as in the past, and for that, I am sorry. I have had quite a bit of time to think this over, having pondered the idea of a final show to tie things up. At this point, I somewhat, tentatively agree with AK's original post that as long as we have enough interested people to keep writing, we should try to continue, even on a limited basis. These times are not the most hopeful or pleasant, (speak for yourself, you fuddy duddy conservative!), and I think that's been reflected in our lives and in the state of the fed. I should be more active as a mod and a writer, and I have slipped as both, but I do not consider it out of the question that I can turn each of those around somewhat with a concerted effort.
If we do close down activity, I do not want to see the boards close up. Our community has dwindled but is still precious to many, and I know that many will want to read their past work. Perhaps our finale show could result in the sale of the fed from Ginger to some other entity or another and the fed would leave ACW Island, bringing this era to a close.
If we continue, we need to make changes, that much is obvious. I think some very good points were made in support of ditching the rank, at least as an active component of the system, and I think that some other balancing methods should be put in place. The titles need to be re-evaluated, probably ditching the IT(orignally a plan from CP) and perhaps the tag belts, giving us two solid belts with the World and ET. We should also have scheduled chat sessions on days that the show doesn't go up, one of the worst things of the one show a week style is that we've lost the constant contact that we used to have before. Going along this route can allow us to slowly build up again, but it'll take work.
My views are divided on this issue, and I probably just switched between three different stances through this post, we've all put so much work into ACW, and gotten so much back from it, in terms of personal growth, knowlege, community, writing ability, and so on and so on. I cannot simply throw ACW aside into the dustbin, and I hope if nothing else, that the ties forged during our time here are not permanatly severed should we cease production.
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Post by Rena on Dec 11, 2009 18:42:53 GMT -5
It does kind of irk me that people who have done nothing in recent months to help ACW (sorry but those of you who went on hiatus and are 'coming back' now fall into this category) and people who are supposed to be gone but still post here OOC, talk about the 'fall' of ACW. I can see those who have been active here losing a little steam, however if you haven't been here or have done nothing to help sustain ACW then I don't see a point in posting these types of things. It's one thing if we have all moved on and want to close the place because of no interest, and it is quite another to blame it on a bunch of events that are in the past and call the situation 'unfixible'. Really, VorteX? Why am I surprised, anyways. I knew that it would be you who would comment negatively on my post. I posted my opinion; the opinion that after 5 of being in ACW I am entitled to. Yes I haven't been active lately in ACW, but I have observed this 'fall' in both numbers and overall activity on the board objectively throughout my absence. I have always observed ACW while I was not competing as well as keeping in-touch with the current members of ACW while I couldn't possibly get on to find out the news. Never in my 5 years have I been completely oblivious to anything that has happened on the boards. Let me add, that during my active years I contributed to the growth of ACW, and it's great if you want to come along and shake your finger at me because I can't be around right now and therefore my opinion shouldn't count or is any less educated or informed. I mean, you would just have to take whatever I said and then bitch about it. I'm sorry that not only do I have college full time, a social life, work at the hospital as a student nurse and dealing with the fact that my father's kidney is working at 14% and needs a transplant or else he'll die and can't possibly find the energy or time to be active on these boards, but it's life. The fact that you are trying to reduce my credibility as an informed and educated voice in the matter is completely rude, even from you. I was told by others about the situation and they suggested I put in my opinion. I hesitated at first because I wasn't sure what I wanted to say about it, and then I got a PM from AK telling the member who had not seen to look at it and state their opinion. So I did. Why? Because although I haven't been active for like less than a month to a month, btw, I have been here long enough to know when it's good and when it's bad. I don't really understand why you've decided to take everything I say and then cut it up. I never called anyone out, I never pointed fingers anywhere ... so then why did you decide to point your finger and wag it with some condescending tone as you cut up my opinion? Simply, because you're a douche and have been to me for as long as I can remember.
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Post by thesinner on Dec 11, 2009 18:53:40 GMT -5
It does kind of irk me that people who have done nothing in recent months to help ACW (sorry but those of you who went on hiatus and are 'coming back' now fall into this category) and people who are supposed to be gone but still post here OOC, talk about the 'fall' of ACW. I can see those who have been active here losing a little steam, however if you haven't been here or have done nothing to help sustain ACW then I don't see a point in posting these types of things. It's one thing if we have all moved on and want to close the place because of no interest, and it is quite another to blame it on a bunch of events that are in the past and call the situation 'unfixible'. Really, VorteX? Why am I surprised, anyways. I knew that it would be you who would comment negatively on my post. I posted my opinion; the opinion that after 5 of being in ACW I am entitled to. Yes I haven't been active lately in ACW, but I have observed this 'fall' in both numbers and overall activity on the board objectively throughout my absence. I have always observed ACW while I was not competing as well as keeping in-touch with the current members of ACW while I couldn't possibly get on to find out the news. Never in my 5 years have I been completely oblivious to anything that has happened on the boards. Let me add, that during my active years I contributed to the growth of ACW, and it's great if you want to come along and shake your finger at me because I can't be around right now and therefore my opinion shouldn't count or is any less educated or informed. I mean, you would just have to take whatever I said and then bitch about it. I'm sorry that not only do I have college full time, a social life, work at the hospital as a student nurse and dealing with the fact that my father's kidney is working at 14% and needs a transplant or else he'll die and can't possibly find the energy or time to be active on these boards, but it's life. The fact that you are trying to reduce my credibility as an informed and educated voice in the matter is completely rude, even from you. I was told by others about the situation and they suggested I put in my opinion. I hesitated at first because I wasn't sure what I wanted to say about it, and then I got a PM from AK telling the member who had not seen to look at it and state their opinion. So I did. Why? Because although I haven't been active for like less than a month to a month, btw, I have been here long enough to know when it's good and when it's bad. I don't really understand why you've decided to take everything I say and then cut it up. I never called anyone out, I never pointed fingers anywhere ... so then why did you decide to point your finger and wag it with some condescending tone as you cut up my opinion? Simply, because you're a douche and have been to me for as long as I can remember. The TL;DR for VorteX is that you're a complete hypocrite Mr. "I HATE DA CALC SYZTEM CUZ IT'S UNFAIR!" I wish you'd stayed gone.
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Post by jonnyomega on Dec 11, 2009 19:15:27 GMT -5
I came in here to post my opinions on the issue and instead found a 2/3 page bitchfest.
This is why I've stopped writing and it's the reason why my interest in ACW in general has dwindled over the last few months.
I respect that everyone has their own opinions and that we don't necessarily have to agree with each other all the time but we don't have to force our opinions down each other's throats.
I also understand that some people are destined to never get along but I don't understand why you can't keep your feelings to yourselves and have a little dignity instead of looking like bloody children with all your arguments.
Saying all this I would be open to an ACW return but I've been spending more time on studies and especially at this current point where I have coursework due in the next week or so I don't have time for writing. Perhaps in the New Year though.
Random idea:
Wipe the slate clean. Rename the promotion, vacate the titles and start again. Kind of like starting a new fed but not in some ways. Think of it as re-branding.
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Post by BK London on Dec 11, 2009 19:43:00 GMT -5
Restarting might be cool.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 11, 2009 19:48:16 GMT -5
Okay, so Senator and I have been talking, and really looking at it, if we care, if we give it the college try then we have a chance. If judging by the reaction of people in this thread there are still those who care about ACW, we have hit a rough spot, we are in dire straits (WE ARE THE SULTANS OF SWING) but this can be done. Even quickly brainstorming looking at the bottom with the people who have logged in in the past 24 hours, there is enough to carry on, if we're willing to devote the time, which is what this has ultimately come too. AT, Kenny, Taylor, Dave, Rob, Yoko, Freeman, Mainer, Mark, VorteX, Criminal, Wheeler, Smart, Rena, TJ and with him comes one more, Torak, Jonny, and me That there is nineteen people, not too shabby, actually rivaling our numbers around fallen hero's time but we could add more. Maybe people who have been online as of late could return, even in a reduced capacity. It really shouldn't take more than fourty five minutes a week to work on two segments, on you draft and one a feud partner drafts. Flamingo, Dan, Train, AK, Jonny Hughes, Senator, if it matters this much to Yoko, maybe she can convince Sarin to return, I know of one other person who is planning a return at WD who'll make a splash. If all of these people come and write two segments a show our shows will be just as good as they were during Fallen Hero's when everyone was ecstatic for this fed. It'd bring our numbers up too twenty-seven and that's a large, very large roster for an e-fed, with room to grow. Now I know there are people who have left, one show a week is a large concession to them, but what I propose kind of mirrors in a way many of the reforms Senator proposed and that's a fed wide restart (fuckin’ Jonny, posting it before me when I told Senator the idea at 4:40) and allows much reform without totally diddling around in kayfabe. What I propose is ACW Island blows up and we become a normal travelling company, much like WWE going around the world, with a new leader as opposed to Chairman Gingerdude. Speaking ideally I would support Senator for this role as it would make alot of sense, him providing a home for every ACW superstar. We can still carry the ACW banner, but instead will be permanently on tour. I will volunteer my time to prepare every date with an arena and a location. This also helps us as it should allow much more room for promo, instead of being stuck on a phantom island there are locations with real world history. You can promo about doing things in certain places, visiting the liberty bell, statue of liberty, what it means to main event at MSG, there's alot more there for the people. My three key reforms I propose as a result of these changes are as follows. - Reduction of Roster into TWO divisions.
This would mean we would also contract two titles, most likely the tag team and International Title leaving us with two belts. This would open the roster for feuds with more people, allow each person to face every other person each week, as well as make competition for spots more valuable. As the system stands, I have no pressure coming from below me at the mid-card level, pushing for my spot, with two roster ranks however I would be shitting bricks right now as Criminal, Wheeler and Panther all pushed for my spot. Increased competition should spur people on to contribute more as I’m sure all will attest part of the problem we’re experiencing now is a lake of competition and pressure to write. Dave outline the problem with main eventers leaving and I do believe this would alleviate this as at present, once you get to main event it is nary impossible to unseat a person. Instead of Main Event, Mid Card, it would simply be World and Entertainment Divisions.
- Introduction of a “Championship Committee”
[/size] This would also alleviate a problem in that the belts have become worth nothing here as a result of poor decisions as of late (probably both of which have been my fault) but also will appeal to those who see ACW as a place where you only go as far as the people you know. This committee would each month determine a challenger for both title belt’s, receiving input from the champion at the time. This committee would dictate feuds, however if a champion wishes to continue a feud beyond one month with a person the committee would have the power to veto this with a majority vote, however if the feud is allowed to continue the committee will have the power to select a mid month challenger for the title. The committee would consist of five members, three mods and two roster members who would withdraw from title belt consideration for a period of six months, the term in which they will serve. After that time, any committee member will have the opportunity to withdraw their name, or continue on with a second term, the consecutive limit as to make sure that there are new faces entering both the committee and title consideration. I know for a fact this would appease more than a few members, and would also mean that rather than ass-kissing that some feel is required to earn a title shot, you can simply earn one with your writing. [/li][li] Make the fed appealing to newcomers.[/size] As has been addressed prior too in this topic, it’s very hard for a newcomer to get set up here and they often wind up frustrated and leave because they have no one to work with. It’s amazing that I can think of the people that stayed here as new guys as opposed to those who left where the people who upon signing up were welcomed and people asked to write with them. If we make this a PRIME focus for the people, (I propose making it worth double calcs writing with someone who has been in the fed less than two weeks) we should have a greater success in keeping new signees. This is also accomplished by the reduction in roster ranks is it makes it so people can feud with anyone at any time in a competitive calc’d feud, making it more likely that if one person is without a feud and a new roster member comes in they’ll have a ready made feud there.[/li][/ul] I feel these three things would give us a head start with what we already have but as has been found that’s not enough. We need people to devote time to match writing and more importantly to advertising. I’m especially looking at one person here who had no time to help during his hiatus but is now all of a sudden Mr. Save ACW! The state we are in now is a direct result of not advertising, TK and I tried but received no aid so now is your time to step up the recruiting effort. I made the effort to gather a whole host of fed hubs and top site lists that should help but no one aside from TK and I cared. If you want ACW to continue, this needs to be our focus. Each person needs to devote five minutes a day to a fed hub to just chat up the place, you don’t need to whore our fed but making the fed active on a hub makes it more appealing to the people that gather there. We also need people to vote for ACW if we add it on Top site lists and need people to go through the entire sign up process to get on said lists. We have I’ll say thirty people on the boards who can vote twice a day. Within one week we’ll be able to be in the top 10 of ninety percent of top site lists. Can ACW be saved, yes. But it needs effort and for every person who is asking in here to save ACW, you have to realize that if all you are able to contribute is what you’re contributing now we’re sunk and there is no point to continue. At least for the next two months until we get a solid footing we need an extra half hour a day (not really that much when you think about it) to make this fed better, to get the website running, to advertise to update everything. We need that half hour to do everything TK said in the ACW Team stuff and no one did anything and that apathy led to further apathy and this situation we are now in. I’m ready to do my part, despite my last post and the sombre tone it may have carried, but I’m not willing to do it by myself, I’m not willing to do it with five other people. It will take a minimum of ten people to make this thing work and if we do, it will, I all but guarantee it. Those ten people with half hour a day extra devoted to ACW is five extra hours a day, thirty five hours a week, that’s nearly a full work week at a job that we are doing and that will pay off.
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Post by BK London on Dec 11, 2009 20:18:30 GMT -5
I haven't even finished reading, but we are not blowing up ACW island - I live there!
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 11, 2009 20:31:45 GMT -5
I haven't even finished reading, but we are not blowing up ACW island - I live there! That was the point of doing it...
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Post by Jason Freeman on Dec 11, 2009 21:11:23 GMT -5
This sounds good to me, though...I really dont know if I like those proposed changes CP. I do agree that temporarily it might be best to go for just World and ET...perhaps vacating the International Championship, but I believe it should eventually be brought back once our roster is healthy again. The three divisions worked well before, and if our roster is rejuvenated the three divisions WILL be needed IMO. And I think since there are only two belts, moving up the card is a goal to strive for. If you take away one belt and just have two divisions, there really isnt much of a goal, and I think having goals makes people have better reasons to try. Thats just IMO.
I think advertising should absolutely still continue, and anybody who knows fedders should try to get them here, and try to reach out to people who might want to help ACW, like RDK or somebody. For whatever reason they left see if they will come back.
I really am iffy on a lot of these changes but the one I really do like is Senator's idea of having times to chat. I agree that the one show a week has made ACW mostly out of sight out of mind, and that might contribute to why it doesn't feel as important. I dunno if we should keep the one show or not. It's less work but doesnt seem to be working. But having times to chat with everybody will be good.
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Post by jonnyomega on Dec 11, 2009 21:19:32 GMT -5
The International title is stupid.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 11, 2009 21:40:39 GMT -5
The three divisions worked well before, and if our roster is rejuvenated the three divisions WILL be needed IMO. Why? The worked well argument is in a way the reason we are here, we were not willing to adapt and fell so far behind we're here now. I think it works perfect because anyone can face anyone and it makes it so that within a month or two you can be at the top if your writing is worthy...there's NOTHING more frustrating than being stuck writing with people who don't have near the skills you are. If Ridley came back as a character and no one knew it was him, would he reasonably fit in at midcard for three months. This creates compeition for the top spots and as our roster grows it increases compeition and makes it an even tougher goal to ascend the ranks, making it more rewarding than if you make ascend now. If we have thirty people, split twenty in the ET and ten in the world...those ten spots are going to be very, very tough to get too. I mean, if you look at the list in my previous post, how many of those guys were at one point main eventers and some of them will be relegated to the ET division. You're increasing compeition and making it tougher to get the top, you're actually making it a more real simulation of wrestling in the fight to the top.
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