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Post by Yoko Satoshi on Dec 11, 2009 5:04:34 GMT -5
If the Rep problem kills ACW, then this is all my fault for actually sticking up for him. I can't believe it. This really is my fault.
We can't die. We just... can't. I don't have a life outside of ACW, and I can't get one. I'm confined to a bed with only the use of three fingers on my left hand. ACW IS my life.
A break to recharge will only hasten death.
What about active mods? I've suggested people like TK, Dave Shadow, and CP for vacant mod spots before, but never had any agreement. I would fully support any one of them. They're intelligent, responsible, trustworthy, hard-working, and ACTIVE. Any of you up for the work, potentially? And intend to do the work?
Perhaps we need restructuring from the top down, starting with mods who aren't too busy outside of ACW.
How many old members might be interested in our new found lack of Rep and reduced work schedule? Stark, Orochi, Kross, Andrews, Snake, Wyvern, Hunter, Rose, Ridley, Bladeshadow? Jake Steele became too similar to Rep to consider.
What if we stop calling ACW an alternative to RP feds? In practice, people still write their RPs, they're just all posted at once in a show, and graded differently. We've turned a lot of people off by claiming to be so different.
We need a better website. Nothing crazy, but something easier to navigate, with updated content and maybe newer, more relevant guides. This is being worked on, I think.
Advertising doesn't work a fraction of what it used to. TK's research has shown us that we've pretty much tapped out every avenue available to us, and to top it off, Efeds are in a universal slump. Could we maybe target a different demographic. I've not toured the Efed scene, ever, but it's my understanding that gender equality is somewhat rare(Tell me if I'm incorrect). By mentioning that women are treated just like the men and that they're not separated into their own division, we could attract curious female writers, or, more likely, guys curious to play girls. People who have little freedom in most feds.
Just some ideas.
We cannot die. I can't live without ACW or Yoko
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Post by BK London on Dec 11, 2009 8:38:11 GMT -5
I am pretty sure none of the people you mentioned are coming back.
You know, it's easy to come to ACW's rescue when someone finally points out it's major flaws. But even if things do change, the main problem is not the mods or the Repness - it's the lack of companionship between everyone and the family environment which in turn doesn't motivate people to right. And we can't really get new people because of the lack of ever popularity and we can't get old people because they have pretty much moved on. We are at a complete stand still and it is going to remain like that for a while methinks.
Flamingo suggested possibly creating a new fed, but I'm not sure how crazy people would be for that.
Nonetheless, its sad to know all things come to an end. But you've got to accept it sometimes. I won't be mad to see if ACW stays open, but I wouldn't be mad if it closed either. We had a very good run.
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Post by Yoko Satoshi on Dec 11, 2009 8:56:20 GMT -5
I can't accept its death. Period. It's the only life I have that's something other than laying here in bed for the next 40 years. This isn't a hobby for me, it's all I have.
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Post by El Shadowo on Dec 11, 2009 12:22:24 GMT -5
Ok, first thing first. In this topic, we need to keep personal shots and bitching out of this. Whatever happens, we shouldn’t be fighting and getting bitter, cause that won’t help a thing. That only makes things worse. Thats not to say there’s not certain points which don’t need to be addressed but we can do that in a calm, civilised and mature way.
I unfortunately fall into the category of “people who find their motivation going” when it comes to this problem. There’s numerous reasons for that, both large and small, and most have already been mentioned in here. Also then, I’m after going through one of the toughest few weeks of my life, college wise. They’ve been laying it on thick, unfortunately. That said, I’m done college now for a few weeks.
This isn’t the whole problem mind. I find myself writing more for the sake of writing as of late, as opposed to writing cause I have any great ideas. This isn’t a hit against the guys I’ve been working with. More me in general. That said, I plan to take measures to try and make a change in that regard, or at least in the way I can motivate myself. There is the roster problem as well though.
Its already been mentioned about the inability to recruit new members, and I’ll address that down below in my ideas. But I also see another problem. A few weeks ago, I made the challenge to all former world champs to have a match. Only TK directly responded with a “Yes”. Zero kind of was on the fence. And Senator was confirmed through Chris, rather than talking to me directly. I am not taking hits at those guys though. I appreciate any and all help offered, even if the idea didn’t really fulfil the potential or the role I wanted the challenge to do. But it was only after I made the challenge that I realised how few former world champs were actually here in ACW still.
Since I joined, every PPV seemed to end with a main eventers leaving or quitting or getting banned. Since I joined, I’ve seen Zero, BK, TK, Train, Steele, White and a few others (I think) have left after reaching the main event, for one reason or another. SO the problem isn’t just getting people IN. It’s that we’re haemorrhaging people at both ends of the card. That seriously needs to be fixed as well. Is there a mindset that once you reach the main event, you’re done? Maybe that can be traced back to the lack of new people though. Once you reach the top, maybe people don’t want to work with new people? Maybe they’ve worked with everyone, and can’t think of any new feud possibilities. I don’t know.
Anyway, I’m just going to propose some stuff. The problems have been identified at this stage, so what we need now is to propose solutions. Most of it probably will be shot down, but I don’t want to just give up on ACW.
1. Change the ad on Gamefaqs. Now, I love the ad. It’s great. It’s unique and original. But it can also be a tad scary to look at. Maybe we should work on a simple ad. Just tell people when shows are, where to find us and take out all the waffle which could scare people away. Yoko already kind of suggested this. People can say its not all they want but ACW is an RP fed. Or at least I've always considered it one. You just post your RPs on the show, and there happens to be a well hyped way of judging the promos. But underneath it all, its still people RPing.
2. Get rid of the tiered system Now, this one I expect to see the most resistance from other users about. I, personally, think that we should get rid of the hierarchy system. As soon as people step forth into ACW, they are marginalised and segregated. One of the most irritating things when I first joined ACW was the fact that I could barely get a match with decent people in terms of RP level. Thats not taking away from who I feuded with first. I just got lucky when Chris Williams joined around the same time. How many people join and are told “You should fight NPCs for the first few weeks”? I know that I wouldn’t want to face NPCs for a month before anyone would look at me. While I understand the idea, it can be very off putting for new people. Even then, after finally getting to face people, the system would mean I wouldn’t stand a chance against other people.
By getting rid of the hierarchical system, maybe that would encourage more people to join. It would also allow new people to possibly shoot up the card, stand a chance against the vets and would encourage more feuds at a wider level. In terms of championships, you would hope most people would use common sense when giving title shots. But while they hierarchy may still exist, it wouldn’t be so rigid. People would stand a chance at getting strong starts.
3. BK’s email idea. I actually quite like it, to be honest. If we send people round warning that accounts will be deleted soon, we might attract a few people back. Even if only one or two start writing for a little while, it would have at least been worth the effort.
I had hoped for a longer list when I started writing this, to be honest. I’m sure I’ll think of more as I think about it and will add to the list as they come to me.
In the mean time, I would like to say that I don’t want ACW to die. This place as been, since I started efedding, THE efed. GWF was based off ACW in many ways, not least of all because AK helped us out so dramatically. I can’t tell you how many ideas I would propose in GWF with the reasoning being “ACW is doing it” <_<
I think it would be sad to see it die, and I hate even talking about it in such a way so as to present it as a possibility.
(As for the whole Mod thing, I'm not really going to comment on that here beyond these few words. Thats a situation which needs to be discussed between the mods, and they need to come to a decision there. They need to decide if they want new blood, first of all, and then it should be up to them to decide who they'd want, if they want anyone).....
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Dec 11, 2009 13:01:51 GMT -5
I know Andrews is a definite no go, I contacted him about a month ago hoping to get a feud going with him but he says he's far too busy to be doing anything ACW related.
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Post by Dan White on Dec 11, 2009 13:12:39 GMT -5
It was my email idea, but no biggy >_> as I said though, I plan to return. I just felt that after 18 months of solid writing I deserved a break. I'd also be up for being an impartial mod, since I pretty much get on with everyone <_<
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Post by El Shadowo on Dec 11, 2009 13:14:08 GMT -5
Ah, sorry Dan. Truth be told, I actually wrote that up during a free class this morning in school. with no net connection to check. Wasn't 100% sure. >_>
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Post by Yoko Satoshi on Dec 11, 2009 13:16:59 GMT -5
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I like the idea of ditching ranks. Along with what you said about it, it fixes the problem of super small divisions. The calcs would need tweaked a bit for balance, but it would make it easier for new guys to get a firm foot in the door. It seems so obvious now.
One possible downside; it removes a goal to shoot for. However, we could simply keep ranks as a grade in the newsletter, so a person could track the quality of their work(As an opinion piece, not anything that affects anything, sort of like a Power 15). Or it could be ditched fully.
I think the pros outweigh the con.
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Post by The Red Panther on Dec 11, 2009 13:23:09 GMT -5
I want ACW to live, but I'de rather give it a mercy kill then try and drag it on. I don't have too much time were I sit down and write, I have no motivation to do anything recently (ACW or real) and so haven't been putting much in. Anyhow, everything I want to say has been said already by others, basicly I want ACW to live, but by that I mean make it better, not just keep going like this.
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Post by VorteX on Dec 11, 2009 13:43:24 GMT -5
I have thought the ranks needed to go for a while now. Basically I would like to be able to feud with anyone, for any reason really. Maybe we need to bring some sort of RP board back, to get people to go 'oh I know what that is'. In the end, ACW doesn't have to die if we don't want it to. They say life is change, and it seems as if ACW needs change in more than a few areas if it is to stay around. Those who resist such change will inevitably only kill the fed off further.
I say lets look at some feds that are pretty active, and try to see what they are doing that we are not. I'm not saying change everything, however we do need to be more accessible. I agree with a simple GFaq's ad though, let's just hype shows and feuds instead of a formal welcome letter (I love the letter also, however I can see where it would be 'scary' to new members).
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Post by BK London on Dec 11, 2009 14:01:02 GMT -5
You heard the man Dan, it was my great idea.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Dec 11, 2009 14:15:50 GMT -5
Personally I think we could maybe lessen some restrictions on rank, but there should still be some form of ranking system. It gives something to aim for and makes title divisions easier. I like that system, and always have, feeling it's more realistic and prevents some new guy from coming in and squashing the world champ.
And I also don't want an RP board. I think that one of the best things about ACW is the lack of one, and the show format...
But either way, I do think any other idea that will help ACW is a great one, and while this discussion goes on, how about we put our best efforts towards the next Warfare, get a card up, and keep this discussion going while still working forward
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Post by VorteX on Dec 11, 2009 14:31:39 GMT -5
With the calc system, a new guy should never be able to come in and squash the World Champ. The only thing getting rid of the hierarchy does is take away some of the 'prestige' of being an 'upper mid' or 'main event' rank, however that means nothing now anyway. I say let the belts speak for themselves...if you want to be noticed you have to win a belt. The way it is now, if you want to be noticed you shoot to work up the card which really takes away from the championships. I mean on any real wrestling show you wouldn't hear the words 'upper mid' or even 'main event' (unless it is referring to the actual show event) ever, you hear about the belts.
The only reason I suggested an RP board was to get a little familiarity in this place for people. I'm not saying to switch the calc system or even to make it all RP, just something to get people in here. The way it is now is honestly so vague a new person couldn't figure it out even if they wanted to, which is very bad, because you always have to take into account the guests that never join up because they are overwhelmed to begin with.
I do agree about a Warfare card though...let's get that going.
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Post by Rena on Dec 11, 2009 14:57:38 GMT -5
ACW has been my creative outlet since August of 2004. In that time, I was brought here by Ridley and this is when my love affair with e-fedding began. Sorry, I should rephrase that; my love affair with ACW began. For over 5 years I have called ACW my creative outlet, my online home and a place where I can talk to other people who have wrestling interests (I have few friends who actually enjoy wrestling or the topic of it). As ACW opened on this board a few month prior to me joining ACW, I joined at a critical stage in ACW's birth and growth.
I have watched the shows grow from a tiny little 2-page show to 4-page epics; I have witnessed the rise and fall of characters and members; I have competed; I have contributed; I have left competition on many occasions-- but I had always returned. Now, as I return back from my recent hiatus, I do not see the ACW I saw 5 years ago, nor do I even see the ACW of 5 months ago. Today, as I look upon the forums here, I see the remains of a once fun and thriving community of intelligent and interesting members who all worked for a common goal- to make ACW one of the best e-feds it possibly can.
Time has not always been good to us. In the course of ACW's life we have often wondered if it was the end for ACW- though never to this degree. We have always managed to bounce back, despite our fears. However, as with all this, time has wittled away our commitment to the boards and our goals for this place have faded slightly. We were not as young as we once were 5 years ago- we are now much deeper into college and some deep in their careers. I, myself, will soon become a registered nurse working full-time at a hospital. We are now beginning to choose what is more important to us in our lives, and we must sacrifice some things to reach the goals we have set for ourselves is human beings in the real world.
Every year we have new, younger talent with time to spare and ideas in their heads to refresh the boards with intricate and creative stories and opinions- but as time goes by the sign-up numbers are dwindling rapidly. We, in the past, have tried all the trick to bring in the people, however it's no secret that e-fedding is a dying medium. ACW has always been an intimate community with select numbers, but not since it's meager beginnings has it seen such an abysmal turn out on a daily basis. Some have turned their backs towards ACW; some have simply lost interest; some have become just too busy; whichever the case, no one is to blame. Real life goes on, and our internet lives fade slowly. It has to be done, or else we can never grow as human beings.
It is with a heavy heart that I agree that ACW should be closed. Although I have been here for 5 years, it is simply not the place it used to be and it never can be. I appreciate and acknowledge those who are trying so hard to keep ACW on life support, but sometimes you have to decide that enough is enough. If the people like AK, BK, Myself, etc. who have seen the rise (and now fall) of ACW and helped grow this community brick by brick are deciding that a closure is the best decision, then I truly believe this to be the best option.
I believe that the idea of one final epic show to go out with a bang is probably the best ideas I've heard for right now, and I fully support the decision to close ACW the way it is before it becomes any worse. I understand the people that are being optimistic and truly pulling for ACW to bounce back- but it is my opinion that ACW just can't come back from this kind of shock. It's time to pull the plug.
Cody.
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Post by criminal on Dec 11, 2009 15:15:43 GMT -5
i know that i am still that of a new comer here in the ACW, but the gamefaqs site you might want to update the site. that is how i found this site and it brought me to a homepage. If i didn't click on the board the singles application gets sent to an e-mail instead of being placed so no one really knows exactly how many people might have tried to join this fed, and had no idea as to how, or waited for a reply from someone who never recieved their application.
also,
i think that an r/p board would be a good idea, it would help involvement between all the ranks, and get everyone to communicate as a whole, leaving segments open, room for people to find you, and i honestly think that it would increase the amount of people in and off the ACW website. I know that it is a unique thing ACW has writing r/ps that fight into the show, but whats to say that we can't all write segments for the show also. Also it will free up more time for people to actually help write out the matches for the card that was at hand, so it all doesn't fall on the same people week in and week out.
The ranks... here i don't think it is really that bad of an idea, except the fact that they really don't get updated that often. The ranks only state that someone who is a lower mid carder can't go against the world champ for the title. It says nothing about us having fueds, or even matches against each other. In which case i think that it could help everyones r/p efforts, as they could learn from the matches at hand. I personally find it a lot more easier to get ideas when you actually see what everyone else is writing, and talk off the board and set up a way to invade in someone elses storyline and give them a twist that was very unexpected keeping the suspense in place.
i like for this fed to keep running, however, the member count would really need to increase, and people would need to get more active in this fed, i for one am also at fault for that one. I have been more caught up in my work and backyard wrestling that i have just wrote down anything in hopes that it works instead of actually proof reading my work and making the adjustments needed. ACW can make it though, it will pick up after the holidays are over. people are very busy right now with finals, and holidays, and just family. I agree with almost everyone here that it is dying but with a little work we can keep it going.
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