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Post by worldbreaker on Sept 17, 2009 21:31:20 GMT -5
1. You increase participation.
2. You increase motivation and feud cooperation.
3. Everyone he had problems with is gone for the most part.
It's a win/win for ACW, especially if you keep him to a zero tolerance policy.
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Post by VorteX on Sept 17, 2009 21:33:10 GMT -5
This one has been tried before.
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Post by rep on Sept 17, 2009 21:33:48 GMT -5
Suggestion: Let Jake Steele back in.
1. He's black so you owe him one.
2. You increase OOC activity.
3. Everyone who has a problem with him is still here... think of the uncomfortable/awesome moments.
Win/win
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Post by Dan White on Sept 17, 2009 21:36:44 GMT -5
I agree with letting Taylor back in. I would agree with letting Steele back in at a later date, but for now I think he still needs this ban in place.
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Post by rep on Sept 17, 2009 21:38:29 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that the Yoko wheelchair joke was what got Steele banned. Is this true? Because if it is, that does seem pretty harsh.
Granted, he has said some stuff on the boards as well, but BK was giving it back to him pretty good as well.
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Post by worldbreaker on Sept 17, 2009 22:36:19 GMT -5
This one has been tried before. Yes, but not to the degree of what Taylor is asking for. All he wants to do is write. Even if it means he cannot post anywhere else other than his own profile.
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Post by VorteX on Sept 17, 2009 23:21:51 GMT -5
I thought he could write, just not as Jon Taylor.
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Post by Jack Jefferson on Sept 18, 2009 8:05:24 GMT -5
I'd be up for letting Taylor back in. Although I'd have to agree about waiting a while regarding Steele.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Sept 18, 2009 13:34:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but in my opinion ACW can't cope with another demonstrably immature person at this point in time. (And before anyone shouts out, I consider constant pestering of people over AIM when they've already been given a clear, official answer many times to be immaturity of the highest order).
When people here can actually learn to behave like adults, rather than constantly having petty squabbles which would embarrass a six-year-old, then we can think about third chances (in Taylor's case). But frankly, given how much some of you like to try and wind people up, and how ridiculously easily others of you respond to those actions, I don't see that happening any time soon.
In the meantime, if it's true that "all Taylor wants to do is write", then there are many, many efeds out there where he can plough a fresh furrow.
Just my two pence. -_-
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Post by Torak on Sept 18, 2009 14:10:03 GMT -5
This all sounds quite spicy. Anyone care to fill me in on what happened with Taylor? And Steele, for that matter.
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Post by VorteX on Sept 18, 2009 14:20:55 GMT -5
Go to the conflict resolution boards. Search for something by Steele (Nosepass) or Taylor. Read and you shall quickly find out why they are no longer here.
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Post by Dan White on Sept 18, 2009 16:35:04 GMT -5
The only thing is is that Taylor wasn't banned by mods, at least this time. He was volountarily banned. So technically, he hadn't done anything wrong that time to be banned.
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Post by Commissioner Zero on Sept 18, 2009 16:47:26 GMT -5
Hey, he could have just left. He didn't have to start getting all bitchy to the mods. I mean, if you're pissing somebody off and then TELL them to ban you - what the hell do you think is going to happen?
It's his own fault that he ruined his second chance. He should of knew leaving to go to another fed that had a far less stable foundation at the time wasn't the best idea (sorry Ken).
Anyways, I'd allow him to be back on the terms that he can't post other than his profile, ect. I talked to him about this, but it's true - if we continue to make exceptions to the rules, then we'd have to allow Steele back in aswell. Taylor's had his chances and he keeps ruining it for himself, and even if we did allow him under these conditions, we all know they wouldn't stick.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Sept 18, 2009 16:55:52 GMT -5
I think the phrase "be careful what you wish for" is the most appropriate here.
Taylor had various options open to him. He could have taken a period of extended leave. he could have deleted his account. He could have asked us to suspend his account.
But no. He asked, very specifically, to be banned. Banned, as in prohibited from any further participation in ACW. So he got what he wanted. And now, in my opinion, he must accept the consequences of that decision.
Let me just be clear in that this is my own personal view, not a statement of the general mod position. In my opinion, the decision as to whether to let any former member re-join has to sit primarily with those mods who bear the brunt of the mud-flinging when people decide to kick off; I'm simply not around when a lot of things happen, because of the time difference and because of the fact I work full time, often late into weekday evenings. I always have, and always will, support the majority decision made by the moderating group on any topic, even if I personally disagree with it. So if my fellow mods should be convinced that it's right for Taylor to return, given his previous track record and all the other things we're required to deal with, then it might happen at some point. That point may be soon, it may be a way off, or it may be never.
I appreciate the views of all members on this, because obviously the makeup of the fed affects everyone. But I think this topic makes clear that there are a variety of viewpoints, of which mine is just one.
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Post by worldbreaker on Sept 18, 2009 17:22:10 GMT -5
But no. He asked, very specifically, to be banned. Banned, as in prohibited from any further participation in ACW. He did so because he did not get along with BK and he thought he had an out to get away from him. Was it the most mature thing to do? Not at all. However, there is no longer that element so why keep him on the sidelines when he can contribute? I mean, I am doing pretty well and to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be here if things were still the same.
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