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Post by Dan White on Jul 17, 2008 16:22:16 GMT -5
Week after week after week I've noticed that we never have a complete show after it has been posted. Whether it be matches, or more recently, people saving posts to have segments edited in later. It makes up for a show with a bunch of holes in it, and it doesn't look good.
Matches also are often never even sent in later, with people (I'm assuming) thinking that they can just hide for a couple of days around the show, and then people will forget about the match and stuff. But remember, part of e-fedding is competing, and it's totally unfair to those who write their segments, only to see that their match hasn't even been sent in. I reckon even if matches are a couple of days late, or even a week late, they should still be handed in to give a complete finish to the show, at least result-wise.
As for segments, well everybody knows when the shows are, and sometimes there are times when we're unable to finish our writing for a show, for one reason or another. But I don't think we should have the right to save spots in shows. If you're unable to write segments for a show, you should just concede that you'll have nothing there, and concentrate on the next show ahead. Otherwise it does leave gaps in the shows, which look incomplete and a bit messy.
I know it seems like I'm being a bit of a twat by throwing out all these allegations, and yes, I've been guilty of both these things in the past, but I just felt it had to be thrown out there before we get to a point where shows are more segment saves and incomplete matches than actual written stuff.
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Post by Fallen Souls on Jul 17, 2008 16:26:49 GMT -5
I never did intend to have a save on Warfare, and it was a misunderstanding seeing I pushed that storyline back to tonight..that's the one time in six months I've had that happen >.> Others occasionaly have reasons for segments and the like, though matches...it just really isn't acceptable...
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Post by Jake Steele on Jul 17, 2008 17:50:08 GMT -5
I put save slots on the show because at the time I thought I could get them done for Tuesday, which is why I asked AK to put them there, but obviously that didn't happen. And the reason the match never got done is because personal shit came up and I couldn't write, sorry for not saying fuck everything else and writing the match Dan, but things happen.
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Post by Dan White on Jul 17, 2008 18:02:46 GMT -5
I'm not singleing people out, it's just it's happened a lot recently, for whatever reason.
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Post by silencio on Jul 17, 2008 18:06:43 GMT -5
So yeah, can I at least find out if I won or not? >_>
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Post by rosslambert on Jul 18, 2008 0:37:24 GMT -5
I've had a fairly shit week Dan, which has hindered my writing somewhat. With the last week of school being a collaberation of shit, stress and bitchiness as well as writing, I come home feeling exhausted every night, completely drained. I fill those segment slots when necessary, I was planning to write the Silencio match when I got in and catch up on all the other stuff.
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Post by Dan White on Jul 18, 2008 1:03:32 GMT -5
I just think that if it turns out you're unable to write for a show, you should just skip it, segment wise. And just write up why your character was missing the show afterwards.
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Post by Karate Master Kudo on Jul 18, 2008 1:33:57 GMT -5
I agree with Dan somewhat.
I don't really condone anyone intentionally setting up place holders in general beforehand. But as always, things come up and sometimes you had everything planned but ran out of time or couldn't get things done in emergency situations, but it's important to your angle/storyline. In those cases obviously it's more acceptable.
Otherwise, I feel like getting segments done on time is part of the competition of ACW. I've missed countless opportunities I planned to get things done on time, but I just try and fit it all in some other time. I guess it's like roleplay deadlines in a way; where you don't want a competitor to say "oh I had something ready for this week, but something came up and I'll get it in by the next couple of days." Then again, ACW isn't direct competition style like this, but at the same time, the segments count towards calcs etc. and I guess Dan's just saying that getting them in on time is a part of that whole thing.
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Post by BK London on Jul 18, 2008 11:52:52 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned, I do agree with Dan on this situation that if you're not able to meet the deadline for segments that you should just make it up on a future show. It's not fair for the people who went out their way and wrote segments on time, despite what they have going on in their lives as well, and sent them in before the 4:30 deadline.
Also it ruins the flow if the show if there's tons of breaks throughout the shows with no segments, in which half of the time the segments aren't even placed into the space. As far as I am concerned, I don't know so much about Alicia Kitsune, but last Thursday is the last time I'm doing it for a Meltdown show because I'm not an advocate of it. If you can't finish the segments on time, then wait until the next show. Matches however are a different story..
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Post by Commissioner Zero on Jul 18, 2008 13:24:53 GMT -5
I also agree with Dan here, but I do understand that things come up. But like BK said, there's just too many breaks in shows sometimes. And going back to what Dan said, if you forget, just explain it on the next show. That's what I've done in the past if I know I won't be able to meet the deadlines. Sure it may interfere with your feud, but it can easily be made up. For example, Steele forgot to write last Monday, but we made everything up on Thursday.
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Post by Dan White on Jul 18, 2008 13:31:46 GMT -5
I think what people are scared of is that if they miss a show, suddenly their calcs are fucked up and they'll never win again. I don't know the calcs, but surely a mod can assure that this isn't the case.
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Post by rosslambert on Jul 18, 2008 14:37:01 GMT -5
I think what people are scared of is that if they miss a show, suddenly their calcs are fucked up and they'll never win again. I don't know the calcs, but surely a mod can assure that this isn't the case. |
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Post by Fallen Souls on Jul 18, 2008 20:18:14 GMT -5
Nope, it's the case! YOUR ALL DOOMED!! DOOOOOOOOMEEEEEEDDD!!!
>.>...What? It's a joke...Not funny?
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Post by The Senator on Jul 18, 2008 22:31:21 GMT -5
I can assure you all that while consistency is a definate plus, it's not the end all be all in calcs. It's better to just save the segments for the next show, both for your calcs, and for ACW as a whole.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Jul 19, 2008 11:27:17 GMT -5
Yes, to affirm what Senator says - missing one show will not cause your chances of winning to drop significantly, if you've been contributing fairly regularly up until that point. I'd say that once the gap becomes 3 shows or more, then you're going to see a definite effect, but otherwise you can pick things up easily by submitting the things you were planning for the next show along.
I think it's probably worth remembering that stuff which comes in late doesn't get read by many people, therefore it's almost always better to hold things over to the next show if you're not able to complete segments on time. Matches are another matter; I would remind everyone that a match summary is exactly what it says on the tin; a summary. It should be 300 to 500 words; that's really not a great deal, and while I appreciate that several of our regular writers like to make theirs a bit longer, I would much rather have 300 words on time than 1000 words two days late.
Personally I'm not going to stop holding spaces for people who ask for them, but in the light of the discussion so far, hopefully those requests will become few and far between.
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