The ACTUAL Continue.

[Jason Freeman]

Let's continue. But not the Hunter/TK argument. The topic Flamingo actually started, with some really valid points.

The one I feel that should be spoken of the most is the one about the feedback...because I will vouch for that. Im always annoyed when I look to the end of the show and all I see is people saying "Good show" and Im sure that half of them (like Hunter) haven't even READ The show in the first place. I think that feedback is really important. Durden used to do it (Though only for like the same three people >_>) Though that was a nice step. The Hoss Report used to be cool too, but it'd be nice if people said "Wow, so and so's segment was really good" OR like Flamingo said, even say something that could have been better.

It's just good to know somebody is reading something, and even if you only mention one or two...just saying good show is pointless. It's like...why even post it? It's not complimenting anyone, ESPECIALLY if you say it every week. If EVERY show is a good show, every time, what the heck is the difference? Title changes are like the only things that get commented on.

Also, I kinda agree with him on some system of ranking...at least some. He had a point about how if you just need to have a storyline feud for a title, and don't really need to worry about writing...

But yeah, I agree with a lot of his points.

[Rena]

hhhisthegame said:

The one I feel that should be spoken of the most is the one about the feedback...because I will vouch for that. Im always annoyed when I look to the end of the show and all I see is people saying "Good show" and Im sure that half of them (like Hunter) haven't even READ The show in the first place. I think that feedback is really important. Durden used to do it (Though only for like the same three people >_>) Though that was a nice step. The Hoss Report used to be cool too, but it'd be nice if people said "Wow, so and so's segment was really good" OR like Flamingo said, even say something that could have been better..

The only problem with that is that sadly a lot of people don't fully read the shows. Not only this, but we cannot force people to comment on them. Sure, we all worked hard on the segments, but it is out work and ultimately whatever anyone says we'll stick to our own formula. Also, we have a criticism board specifically for people to ask (and to have answer) how they're character is, how their writing style is, and etc. We could, perhaps post-show, have a writer's appreciation where everyone voluntarily suggest who wrote the best segment, whose segment had the best quote...etc...but like I said this would be voluntary.

Another problem is much like the writers controversy we had almost a year ago, is that people say "Oh yeah, I'll do that!" "Sorry I haven't done it before, I'll help out" and nothing comes of it. The Same people have been writing matches for a year now, and the same people who write "Good Show" will probably write "Good Show". Why? Simply, it was a good show. I myself am not an english teacher. I'm not qualified to analyze a character and writing style, and everyone has their own formula. Why is it up to us, as simple e-fedders, to tell someone how they are doing. They are doing fine in their own right, and if they are self-conscious about their writing they should post a piece in the criticism board and let the members munch at it if they wish.

I'm not bashing the idea, as I wish more people would acknowledge everyone's hard work...but simply put we cannot force people. I'm just trying to point out major flaws of this wish, a wish I don't even think Santa can bring this year

[xs3]

First of all, Freeman, I applaud you for bringing this back to our attention because that was the real point of the topic from before.

You are correct on one thing, Freeman: there hasn't been a whole lot on feedback lately. Not for nothing, I'm actually one of those people who have nothing better to say than "good show". But to be honest, it's come to pass as my only reaction. No disrespect to anyone in ACW because you all are great writers, but it's gotten to a point where I've seen it done time and time again. You could probably blame that on fedding for two years, non-stop.

As for the storyline-title thing, that's the damn truth. The titles are pretty much meaningless now in ACW. It seems that the only reason the titles are in ACW are to be used as props or ways of boosting credibility. If we could, we could get some interest flowing back in how the titles are to be defended. Instead of focusing on "how" you're getting/holding the belt, it should be more of "why" you're getting/holding the belt. There's a logical explanation for everything including title reigns.

Anyway, I'm done rambling. Enjoy that post cause I don't do it often. >_>

[hunter]

hhhisthegame said:

and Im sure that half of them (like Hunter) haven't even READ The show in the first place.

I actually broke that habit a couple of months ago. I don't read every word of every segment, but those that grab my attention are read in their entirety. And as I said in the other topic, I'm going to start getting more specific on the feedback, because I understand that the new guys could use it. Us vets already know what everyone basically thinks about our work, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to add that as well. But as Rena said, you can't make EVERYONE comment like that. I'll still occasionally just do "good show" when there's nothing specific to love, but there'll still be more specific comments.

[BK London]

xs3 said:

The titles are pretty much meaningless now in ACW. It seems that the only reason the titles are in ACW are to be used as props or ways of boosting credibility. If we could, we could get some interest flowing back in how the titles are to be defended. Instead of focusing on "how" you're getting/holding the belt, it should be more of "why" you're getting/holding the belt. There's a logical explanation for everything including title reigns.

There's a lack of competition for damn near all titles but the Entertainment I'd say. So there's a reason why things are as they are.

[Latino]

Ok, one thing that I want to say in all of this is that first all of these points are being looked at. The title contenders is one big one that I am making sure that we have a resolution to it that will help the entire fed.

Though all of this talk has made me think back to really what I feel ACW has been about. Now, Flamingo made a mention that he doesn't feel ACW is competitive anymore and while that may be true...ACW has never really been about that. Yes we have had people been in competition for titles and such but I helped found ACW on the basis that people will come here to have fun. Simple as that. They didn't need to stress about beating their opponent all that had to do was write about their character in a feud or not and basically have fun. My hope was that their competitive nature would come out in making the better storyline.

This transcends over to title belts. Another goal of mine was to make titles as prestigious as they could be. That's why I worked to design those belts. It's why I made a rule that if a champion went above and beyond achievements past champions they would get their own custom belt. It is though also why whenever we had a new champion they were given the responsibility to not only defend the title regularly, but to make that reign interesting and when they pased it on to someone I would hope they make sure that next champion is ready to hold that title and do the same.

Though because of these ideals ACW has sadly not been for everyone. Some people love that competitive nature of the full RP system or something like that. So even after weeks/months/years of being here they leave for greener pastures. I'm fine with that. I guess what I'm saying by this post is that while ACW may have changed over it's years we still do not lose our core values. ACW was created for fun with that still competitive nature in all of us.

[jonnyomega]

Two things came out of the Flamingo topic for me.

1. I will try to leave more feedback on the shows.

2. I will try to defend the Entertainment title as often as possible.

[BK London]

This probably has to be the only weekend ever where I wrote huge paragraphs for ACW without it including someone kicking someone's ass....oh wait, I kind of wrote that match, ah well - far too much to write for a weekend but here we go.

Wrestling becoming secondary[/u]
As far as Flamingo's opinion on this, with wrestling starting to become secondary to the actual competition - I agree with him as well. Sure, we all love a segment that's full of comedy and a bit of make believe once in a while, but it's starting to happen most shows. And the man mainly responsible for this is, well, Thunderkiss. Now I know it seems like I've been really tearing you into this weekend, but it's not because I hate you, it's because I'm not a fan of certain things you do.

The whole Real World, Zombies, Future Time Traveling, doesn't really focus on anything show wise. They're fun to read of course, no doubt about that, but they really belong on the Special Events board. Segments on the show should really focus on stuff concerning the show itself, your opponents, future opponents or maybe your storyline. Not to say I think you shouldn't totally NOT do it, there may be some times where it's needed, but I don't think the current ones really contribute much to the show other than more Thunderkiss segments.

Personally, I think the non fantasy segments you do are great, you should do more. I think if we divert our attention away from fantasy at times, and focus more on storylines and our competition and stuff that some people wouldn't be dissatisfied with the current trend of things.

Controversy Concerning Titles[/u]

Boy, gotta love titles right.

Out of all four years ACW has been open, I have never seen so much conflict about titles. And it's mainly on ways people decide to defend them.

Some people think you must defend more frequently to show that you are a good champion while other people think that it doesn't need to be defended every other show to still maintain a good reign. And while some people get mad about these opposing views, you've got to remember that's just their opinion.

There have been arguments also that we shouldn't just hand out one meaningless defense after another, and I totally agree with that. They shouldn't be meaningless. The way I usually operate with titles and non PPV defenses is that for me, I usually approach the person I would like to defend against prior to the actual show of the match. Take during my feud with Macho Man during my first ACW title reign where I actually incorporate G-Unit into it. I defended my titles against them, but still maintained by PPV feud and even sort of meshed the two. That something that you all can try, I think it works out fairly well and looks good. Also maybe gimmick defenses such as challenge, like the QLHC or Zero Chance or even the Triangle Lock Challenge Taylor works adds something different to the mix. Defenses don't have to be meaningless, but they can be if you choose for them to be so.

Also back in the day, we didn't really HAVE to enforce title shots. We enforced them when it looked like people were slipping or lacking title defenses. Back then, everyone knew that they should defend regularly and it provided some good matches and shows back then. Us mods SHOULDN'T have to make up rules to enforce title defenses if you're lacking, but it should be just known by the champion if he wants his title reign to look good.

Feedback at the end of shows[/u]

This isn't really a big deal for me. I mean sometimes that's all I have to say about the show. But I agree that it would be beneficial to actually post some more indepth criticism about what you specifically like about the show. It would boost morale among writers or give them something to improve on if you didn't like a particular segment.

That's my entire 22 cents on this situation, now I need to make some breakfast.

[Jake]

All I'm going to say is that title defenses shouldn't be a problem. If it is obvious that a title needs to be defended more, then the booking committee should just book the match.

[BK London]

As a booking committee member, we don't book title matches unless the champion requests it. It keeps the arguing to a minimum.

[Jake]

Oh. Well thats no fun

[jontaylor]

I think a Power 10 would be useful for ranking...it would help show how people are doing. I think feedback after shows would be good...people to know how well they're writing.

[Thunderkiss]

I realize that my “fantasy” segments are not everyone’s cup of tea, but at the same time for me its frustrating that I feel people think that the majority of my writing has been like this. Each month I come up with a concept and turn it into a mini “movie” if you will. Most of these concepts are indeed farfetched and they are that way for a reason; to spice things up a bit and take one step back from reality. I enjoy writing them and I know some people like to read them, not all, but some. This accounts for only ONE of my promos per show. Everything else I type is realistic and could easily be slid into a real life pro wrestling show. Finally, these promos are labeled “OTA” to show I do not consider them to be cannon nor should they be taken as such.

This past summer, I was hearing complaints about how I was a “one dimensional” writer. At that point, I went out of my way to show I could do it all: realistic, fiction, convey all the emotions, etc. Since that time, I’ve never really heard any feedback, so I don’t know if anyone’s noticed. What I hope is NOT going on is people are just scanning the show and seeing a “ACW Zombies” graphic and saying “TK’S AT IT AGAIN!!” while skipping everything else I do. If you look back at this PAST Meltdown, I’ve already received two positive comments about the OTHER stuff I wrote, both realistic with different types of emotion.

About Thunderkiss himself. Do know that as a rule he is “over the top.” This means that even in some situations he is going to be acting jokingly. In a group he would stick out like a sore thumb with his inappropriate comments and wild actions.

[BK London]

jontaylor said:

I think a Power 10 would be useful for ranking...it would help show how people are doing. I think feedback after shows would be good...people to know how well they're writing.

*looks over to Freeman*

[Latino]

I have nothing against the over the top segments. I agree at a time they can get out of hand, not TK but more of an overall fed thing, but I still enjoy them. I like it when it's mixed with wrestling.