Yoko, Rose and other mods.

[Davey Marvel]

I would like to ask that reguardless what I say please do not edit my posts, or change them in anyway. This is both unconstitutional as well as childish. Just because you don't like what I have to say doesn't give you the right to change it in anyway. I do understand that some things I say may not be welcome to a lot of people but none of it should be taken for more then what it is. Which is just a post on a Fantasy Wrestling Board. I am not writing the local paper. It is not a paper for English class, it is not meant to be taken so seriously.

[Rena]

I completely agree with Davey. We have had problems with this in the past that went unrecognized, and I am glad Davey has brought this to all of our attention. This post editing should not be allowed under any circumstances at which the post may be presented.

Freedom of Speech is a privaledge we were all born into, and does that not allow us to have our own opinions and thoughts placed within a populated forum? If he did say something offensive, that is fine, however the point of someone saying something offensive is their own opinion. Banning, Suspending and a proper punishment should be in order when someone says something that EVERYONE agrees to that it is offensive. If Davey would like to say soemthing, let him say it. If people find it offensive, give it a punishment.

I have never been edited when I did my sex segments, and what he said on that post was mild compared to what I have written about. I highly doubt that Rose had a right to edit his posting due to his comments on his erection. Rose has done soemthing wrong, and perhaps she needs to be punished.

This is outrageous that Rose and some mods believe they have a right to change our views and opinions because they are over us. This is not right, and should be fixed immediately.

[Shawn]

Why do you take everything so seriously? Believe it or not, everything that's done against you isn't an attack on your "rights". It was just a joke made in response to what I assume was a joke on your part. If you cannot take it, then don't dish it out.

It's childish to complain about nothing. I was joking and you were joking, there's no need for you to get your knickers in a knot over that.

Also, if we cannot edit inappropriate posts (And that was an inappropriate insult towards me, regardless of the fact we were both joking) then there is no reason for rules or anything.

If you really believe that your beloved freedom of speech applies to everything, then please feel free to post as much porn as you like and see what happens.

---

Seriously, it's not a big deal. Get off your little soap boxes and calm down. -_-

[Rena]

Joke or not, you had no right to edit it. If you wished to make a joke..post your own post, and not edit his. He is entitled to joke and say things, as you are also. You are not entitled ehtically to edit his post, if it were a joke. Why did you edit the post if you think it was a joke? If it was such, then you should have left it alone so that everyone else could see the joke. Perhaps you should remember that this is not childish, and it is an issue the baords need to discuss. What you did was wrong, Rose...and you need to see that.

[Shawn]

It is perfectly within my rights to edit posts that I deem inappropriate. I do this because I have seen other mods do it in the past. If they deem a post inappropriate, then they will edit it as they see fit. If they see a thread as inappropriate or dead, then they will close it as they see fit. This does not need to be approved of by other mods or the like.

All the mods, save for AK, I believe. Have either edited posts or closed threads in the past.

Davey Marvel made what I could have taken as a very serious insult. However, I chose to take it as a joke and joked with him accordingly. I have done nothing wrong.

[Rena]

perhaps you could ahve said "This post was edited due to innapropriate content"...not changed his voice to reflect your own.

[Shawn]

You know what, you're absolutely right. I'll edit it the right way.

[Latino]

Ok on this issue I believe the only time I, myself, have edited posts is when people create long posts due to a lot of smileys and such. But onto this issue at hand. While we as mods do have right to edit posts I do feel it should be moderation, no pun intended, and only when the post has caused a large amount of commotion. Meaning members have told mods that they find a post offensive or wrong for whatever reason and wish some action to take place.

Also just to let the members know this issue is being discussed.

[BK London]

I agree with what Davey says, I mean it's concerning freakin' Kurt Angle. And speaking about inappropiate Rose, weren't you the one a few months ago discussing your little masturbation thing in the chat, which I believed was HIGHLY inappropriate.

[Shawn]

The chat cannot be moderated and we've all talked about lots of inappropriate things, yourself included. The time you speak of was an innocent joke that was taken out of hand. Like I said, you've done worse. So don't try to look like a saint, thank you.

[Yoko Satoshi]

I have EXTREMELY mixed feelings on this issue, and I'm not sure what exactly sparked this topic in the first place. But let me post my thoughts.

This is just a nitpick, freedom of speech and the Constitution don't apply to the internet. Forum administrators and to a lesser extent the moderators can make whatever rules they want, which is what CJayC says on NaziFAQs. The internet is worldwide, and everyone doesn't believe in the same things. But that's not what I'm ranting about, that's just something that annoys me.

We are by no means NaziFAQs here. For the most part, we edit things that need editing. I remember everything I've edited. I've edited posts in the HWL/ACW topic that were about to turn into a flame war, I've edited posts by Davey and Tornado that were both off topic and almost a flame war, I've edited some screen stretchers, and I usually edit posts when people dare me to edit them, because it's funny and we all laugh.

I didn't see what Rose edited so I don't know if it was right. But editing it to reflect your own view, which I think is what was said, is horribly wrong. Our job is to stop annoyances and fights, not rewrite opinions. That's abuse of power.

So my thoughts on this are that the mods should retain the right to edit what we see fit, but only if it's logical and not super censorship or whatever happened. Our job is to stop fights and keep things peachy which is why we have the power to edit posts, not to dictate who can say what.

That's what makes us different from other forums, we don't have set forum rules to dictate what you can and can't post. We trust you to be responsible, and you trust us to be responsible. But if you get out of hand, we can edit, and if we get out of hand, you can call us on it and we'll talk, like right now.

[Shawn]

I agree with Yoko. The post was made in bad taste and was really just trying to start a fight. I edited it, as is my right to do, and fully expect Davey not to take it personal and to move on with his life.

It was a comment that would have started a flame war and I edited it. My only mistake was that I edited differently so that it looked like Davey agreed with me, but then I fixed that.

So, I am in the right and I'm sure you all disagree. I don't feel that we should argue this particular point any longer. However, if you do feel that something is incorrectly edited in the future, then be sure to bring it up.

[BK London]

lancerage said:

The chat cannot be moderated and we've all talked about lots of inappropriate things, yourself included. The time you speak of was an innocent joke that was taken out of hand. Like I said, you've done worse. So don't try to look like a saint, thank you.

Like a saint? Trust me, I am far from a saint. But please tell me of this time I have speaken of.

[Shawn]

You've made sexist, racist, and totally inappropriate comments in the past. However it's in the past and I don't feel like arguing with you over who has been the most inappropriate in the past.

Though, rest assured it was you. >

That was a joke, I have no idea which one of us has been worse in the past and I don't feel like fighting about it.

This topic was made for a good reason, though we may all disagree on who's right and who's wrong. It's good to get these things out in the open.

If you ever have any more problems with any editing in the future, feel free to adress it.

This topic has ran it's course and any further debate would probably lead to needless argument.

If you want to discuss things or yell at me privately

AIM:Thomas42687
MSN: [e-mail]

Or you can reach me via PM

Don't worry, I don't bite...hard...