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Post by Chris Williams on Feb 12, 2011 11:08:06 GMT -5
Kiss, at this point we are just talking about the POSSIBILITY of a fed, anyway.
And I've never had a problem with you, but whatever ends up happening... it doesn't need your approval or participation. If you don't want to be a part of it, that's totally fine, but we can do pretty much whatever we damn well please. And if we start up and it fails, so be it. I'm sure we would have fun... that's all that matters
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 12, 2011 12:33:39 GMT -5
I'm sure we would have fun... Can't argue with that. I guess people who experience premature ejaculation have fun too for something that will last just as long.
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Post by The Mainerishi on Feb 12, 2011 12:43:56 GMT -5
I'm sure we would have fun... Can't argue with that. I guess people who experience premature ejaculation have fun too for something that will last just as long. CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU JUST GOT BUUUUUUUUURNT.
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Post by Chris Williams on Feb 12, 2011 14:53:39 GMT -5
Do you really have a problem with us starting up a fed of our own? What's it to you? It has nothing to do with you, dude.
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Post by Fallen Souls on Feb 12, 2011 15:54:23 GMT -5
A new fed would fail. It's just from that itch of knowing there isn't a pre-built home anymore. Just ask Mainer, he's started and watched collapse like 8 feds >.> If you want to feed the itch, join something. Starting something will not succeed. If it was meant too ACW wouldn't of died.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Feb 12, 2011 20:58:15 GMT -5
Yeah Mainer, because TK has such a huge attachment to ACW, and really was concerned about its well-being. Isnt this the guy that left to make his own fed himself? <_<
Speaking of which, how long did that one last?
And before he combats this with some defense, my point is just that for all the shots you take about how long this hypotethical fed may last you dont have the greatest track record of it yourself. Its not like you were doing this with your experience of creating feds to nicely tell us it's not going to work, ALL you have done for a year is whine in random topics. It's like when Rep was back here and every discussion turned into an argument, I don't even dislike you, it's just that if you have NOTHING POSITIVE at all to talk about in a year, then it just starts to wear on the people around you. I dunno, maybe I just speak to myself here, and no doubt am going to have Mainer or TK combatting this with a (LOL FREEMAN TALKING ABOUT WEARING ON PEOPLE AROUND HIM) but so be it
EDIT: Oh, and also its not like Im even saying this idea is a good or bad one, its just that, as Chris Williams said, I dont see why it was really worth commenting on one way or the other for you.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Feb 12, 2011 21:18:41 GMT -5
I would not join said fed off the hop, for many of the same reasons that Kenny's pointed out. If it lasted a couple of months then I might look into it.
SLA is also a bad example Jase, Kenny ran a fed for years without it failing.
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Post by criminal on Feb 12, 2011 21:53:47 GMT -5
I too have ran a site for numerous amounts of years, but the work gets to be a little to much to handle week in and week out when you are the only one that does it. I ended up closing it a few years back when I became sick of writing all the matches, and placing the card, with no help once so ever. I think this could also be part of why AK just vanished without a sign.
This is just my opinion and it may not be true, but to me it seemed like the whole fed was on the shoulders of AK until the made CP a mod. Then the only one you seen was CP, no more Senator, or TK, or really anyone. Then CP's life got a little hectic, and then Freeman is a mod. The work is to over bearing for one person, and that could be why this fed died.
There was no thrill to write because it felt like none of the segments were even being read. I know that I for one was not one of the "Better" writers, or even contributed on a weekly basis after a while, but when things run late, and people take up the work to help write with the matches and don't send them in on time, or the segments are being saved, the show just doesn't seem like a show. How often do you see a show that comes with a sign that says " Segment saved for...".
In order for a new fed to even be placed, and be thought off, I think you would need a good management staff that has the time and dedication to pull that off. Maybe, even a stricter segment guideline.
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Post by VorteX on Feb 12, 2011 22:29:18 GMT -5
TK again...do you not remember your chat melodrama? What part of 'I'm not posting on the boards anymore and only registered to read this show' do you not understand? Oh, that's right...you DO know what you are doing. It's fine, if coming to an internet board and interjecting your cynical personality makes you feel better...then so be it.
As far as a new fed, only something small, with monthly shows, that is just for fun would work. Basically it would be very lenient with practically everything, at least until some form of stable community can be formed. If none does, then at least there wasn't a whole heap of effort put into something with a high risk for failure, and if a community does form then it could be easily modified to suit that.
I'm with Criminal on the management thing. Preferably the admins of the site would not compete, and instead focus more on show organization and calc results. Also if it were me, I'd be a lot quicker on the ban trigger for people who constantly start arguments or come around and be a constant downer (IE: Troll). ACW really took a blow when the whole Rep/Jake Steel crap was going rampant.
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Post by Reprobate on Feb 13, 2011 0:39:24 GMT -5
I haven't posted yet and insults are being hurled. Yup... it must've been all my fault. When are you guys gonna stop blaming me for something that you contributed to as well?
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Post by Thunderkiss on Feb 13, 2011 1:07:45 GMT -5
TK again...do you not remember your chat melodrama? What part of 'I'm not posting on the boards anymore and only registered to read this show' do you not understand? I was not aware that as a human being I cannot change my mind. Since you revel in scrutinizing my every post (and have for many years) I realize full well that my change of heart will lead to posts such as these. I can only hope that you realize that just like for the past few years, I simply do not give a fuck. If anyone is feeling any better about posting here it is you, since I seem to bring you out like a bad case of herpes. If I invoke such a reaction out of you I must say that somehow, someway, I am making your life interesting and how sad of an existence can that be. Be that as it may, I stand by my earlier rebuttle in that there were many here I didn't see eye to eye with, but still respected their work. You do not fall into that category for your work was sub-par, your character a joke (Simon Belmont as a pic base? Shooting yourself in a promo when things weren't going your way OOC?) and you never amounted to jack shit. Freeman, as CP said, you can try to shove SLA in my face but I had quite the extensive record of running an e-fed, a record that lasted longer than dear ol' ACW. You may perceive my replies as cynicism but I am just being honest. While they were a bit sarcastic, I really feel that the efforts I am seeing here to start this fed over should be put into the other feds out there that are struggling to get members. Especially when most involved have traveled this road over and over and did not succeed. Right now there are a few guys left who actually are doing a good job keeping their feds afloat. Instead of being a dead horse that died long ago, why not support their efforts to keep this dying game afloat? Sure, there may be a few who enjoyed ACW's system but at the end of the day they have to come to the realization that this style failed and cannot be replicated (for every person that stayed on long term here, 20 more quit. Just look at profile graveyard) or just quit. The core group of guys at the beginning was legendary and the efforts of AK, Senator, BK were the gears that keep this machine running. When each one started to fall, the whole thing slowly started to turn sour. ACW was totally a "right place, right time" kind of efed. You cannot do it again.
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Post by Fallen Souls on Feb 13, 2011 2:14:06 GMT -5
I also find it funny that ACW can be dead for over a month, but argments give it life. This drama didn't help it when it was alive, and it's somewhat ridiculous to still be talking about the same things..so I'll break it down.
Freeman, SLA may have no lived very long but maybe that's a lesson in itself. Ken's original fed had amazing backing, and existed in a prime era of wrestling. SLA came to existence when there were no newcomers, and the old vets already had homes. AND IT WAS BETTER THEN! The market for a new fed is minimal. If you guys want to keep going? Join some place with a light schedule. This is because of the damn itch of ACW no longer existing, even if only Dan (White) out-right agreed with that.
CP, I don't really have anything to say to you because you responded civilly and logically >.> So..yeah. Good job?
Criminal, I don't think staff is the issue. I know there are enough people here who would be dedicated to the idea of being staff for a decent amount of time. But this is ultimately about having that active 'e-fed' home. Because if people just have the itch to perform again? You join a new fed in this climate, you don't start one.
VorteX, Whenever I've seen you post..in the last 2 years..it's been some kind of insult at Ken or someone else. Admittedly I haven't been paying the greatest amount of attention in that time, but whenever I come around and see you post that's it. Why? Did ACW not accept you back after you vetoed your death and I missed that somewhere? It's mildly ironic you pulled a Hunter and later that night had a match with Hunter in hell >.>
Rep, There have been arguments before you came here, and there have been problems since you came here that weren't you. You get a lot of flack because it's a lot of what people remember, and you did make some stupid mistakes that aren't easily forgotten. But you aren't the exclusive source of arguments. Tex made a dumb comment there. It's irrelevent, simply because ACW IS ALREADY DEAD AND WILL TAKE NO FURTHER BLOWS!
Ken, You know that part of that post is just feeding a fire that will grow this argument. And for the sake of the original purpose of this topic, combined with the fact that ACW can't suffer as a zombie, I'm not going to lock the thing. It's good to see you post, know you're still around even if my net won't let me get on bloody Live. But still, the other comments about your responses are because sarcasm translates as well as a knife translates into happy flowers on the internet. It still feels stabby to those reading it and not hearing the tone.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Feb 13, 2011 2:39:15 GMT -5
I was only saying IF people decided to do it and it happened, Id join it, though Im not expecting it to happen, nor do I think it should be an ACW revival...I would just not be opposed to fedding with some of the same ACW people in a new fed created similarly, but if the fedding pool is so weak that nobody would join it I guess there's not a point.
I would join another Efed, but honestly I dont think I would enjoy a fed that DOESNT use the ACW style system, because otherwise its just straight up competition, and for me, that wasnt the best part about ACW. I mean it was good but it was more the whole feeling part of an actual fed aspect, and being able to read the shows and PPVs, and see the feuds leading to the PPV. Honestly the most fun wasnt even in one's OWN stuff, but reading the main feuds and everybody else's angles. I mean I would legit get excited for PPVs and to read the main events and the angles leading up to it. Of course this was much more prevalent when ACW was running much better than it was towards the end. But anyways I dont know if that experience would really be replicated anywhere else. TK, besides what you said about it not working, you must have liked it yourself since SLA basically used it.
I understand that it probably isnt the most popular system, but just as some people have an opinion that they only like RP feds and wouldnt join ACW, I have the opposite viewpoint that I like the ACW system and dont want to join a straight up RP fed, that's just my personal opinion and whether someone likes or hates the ACW system nobody is right or wrong, its just personal preference. And so yeah, I dont know if there ARE any feds out there that use the system and that's sad to me since its pretty awesome.
See, TK, if you posted like that all the time I wouldnt get annoyed, its just that at first you just came out and seemed to just be insulting for no reason, your last post was much more civil which is good. Though I still think you needlessly insulted me in the final show chat <_<
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Post by Fallen Souls on Feb 13, 2011 2:41:19 GMT -5
I personally did calcs at SLA, and I've now seen the ACW system. SLA didn't use it >.>
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Post by Jason Freeman on Feb 13, 2011 2:42:19 GMT -5
I didnt mean calcs, I meant show posting etc.
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