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Post by Shawn on Apr 2, 2005 21:01:24 GMT -5
I just criticised your criticism. It's OK BK, lighten up. Don't be a silly billy.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 3, 2005 0:51:40 GMT -5
I have to agree with Rose on this one, Rid's character is the best one I have seen in most places I have looked. I only wish that I could do something as great as that. I would say more, but my pills are kicking in and I feel myself falling asleep....
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Post by Latino on Apr 3, 2005 7:02:50 GMT -5
Ok i guess i should comment. Does Ridley give off this sense of unstoppable? Yes he does. But like it was already mentioned he hardly ever really wrestles. Also when he does wrestle on regular shows that is it's against people who are way down the card and that don't put in as much as he does, most of the time. He gets his wins becuase he does earn them.
As for my criticism? Well he curses a lot but it's something I've grown to just associate as being Ridley. His promos are great. His storylines are always great. His character itself defenitely brings something new to the table. I really don't know what I can criticise here. Well he does have takerish qualities lol atleast in my eyes.
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Post by scrawn on Apr 3, 2005 9:21:26 GMT -5
Fine. I'll make a list of 'immortal' things that Ridley has done:
1) Died and resurrected
2) Spent near two months in a sarcophagus without food or water and survive? That's only possible in a miracle or a hell of a lot of training
Ok, so two things, but that's two more things than anyone else in this fed. Don't get me wrong, the second angle was great (I wasn't here for the first one, but have heard about it) and Ridley is a great character, one of the best I've seen in e-fedding, but it's just little things like that. And I don't recall him being pinned. Ever. Thank you and Goodnight
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Post by vinniedulario on Apr 3, 2005 9:44:11 GMT -5
About the criticism of being immortal. This is pro-wrestling. Everything dosn't have to make sense. This isn't a legitimate sport, and since we're writing our wrestling fantasies out on the intarweb, it loses a lot more realism.
When the WWE buries someone alive at a PPV, do you think they leave them there? Hell, a lot of magicians won't try the buried alive stunt because of how dangerous it is to have that much dirt dumped on you. The threat of being crushed and of suffocating is there if you are in the wrong spot. If Ridley had a storyline where he spent a month in a sarcophagus, so what? Undertaker spent two months "buried".
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Post by The Senator on Apr 4, 2005 9:14:48 GMT -5
I would just have to say, that as a person who went in the ring with Ridley...and did not lose....he's not unstoppable, but he sure does look that way....and that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing! Seriously, it makes him that much more of a credible opponent for people, so if he does lose, it would be something that people remember for quite some time. Heck, even losing to him in a good way puts people over, (see FSX) yeah, Ridley's powerful, but he's powerful in a good way:)
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Post by bladeshadow on Apr 4, 2005 23:59:37 GMT -5
List of Ridley's wins since returning:
Ragnorak Tag (Yoko pin)
Davey
FSX
Anthem
In near 3 months, thats all who this "unbeatable one" has defeated. You know, just because he out promos you guys, doesnt mean you have to make horrid claims. Fuck, I'll have kicked more peoples asses in 2 weeks, wanna go into my thread and complain too? and dont forget Rose and Yoko, and hell why not every one here who happens to be a decent writer and wins becasue THEY DESERVE IT. You guys are so childish sometimes it makes me sick, to be honest. Oh and BK, of ALL the people to complain about Ridley being unbeatable. You were nothing but an incompetant paper champ and you STILL beat him, so id suggest you hush, capische?
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Post by Davey Marvel on Apr 5, 2005 0:21:48 GMT -5
Go on with your bad self....
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Post by The Senator on Apr 5, 2005 9:19:43 GMT -5
"When the WWE buries someone alive at a PPV, do you think they leave them there? Hell, a lot of magicians won't try the buried alive stunt because of how dangerous it is to have that much dirt dumped on you. The threat of being crushed and of suffocating is there if you are in the wrong spot. If Ridley had a storyline where he spent a month in a sarcophagus, so what? Undertaker spent two months "buried". "
Nice point.
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Post by scrawn on Apr 5, 2005 10:27:17 GMT -5
that's why there's such thing as e-fedding, because it's meant to be real, that's the whole point
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Post by vinniedulario on Apr 5, 2005 13:55:01 GMT -5
that's why there's such thing as e-fedding, because it's meant to be real, that's the whole point No, the point is not to be real. The point is to have fun. God, this thread is just too 4REAL 4 ME.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Apr 5, 2005 16:15:01 GMT -5
Hmm, seeing as this debate's still got legs, I may as well add my thoughts.
Firstly, the whole "realism" issue. If you read any of the segments which deal with supposedly supernatural events or characters, you'll find that they're always written in such a way that the things that happen could be done by use of special effects, extra stunt performers etc - I don't think there's anything occuring in our shows that a company like the WWE couldn't actually pull off, if they had a mind to. The most extreme stuff, like the Ridley / Maledict fight mentioned earlier, always takes place outside of the actual arena, and while it's presented as "live" in most cases, in practice all or part of those big scenes would probably be pre - recorded. Even in the case of something like Ridley's "death" at Seven Deadly Sins, I wrote it so that there would in fact be time to "set up" the effects needed - like so:
There is a cracking sound, and no one has any time to react as the bottom point of the steel – and chrome star, wrenched and weakened, finally loses its fight with gravity and plummets to earth. The spike rips away critical electrical cables, and all the lights go out; the crowd screams once more, but they are instantly silenced at the sound of a sickening wet crunch as the spike hits someone in the ring.
Everything is silent and still, and then the now – standard backup power supply kicks in………<br> …….and people cannot tear their eyes from the appalling sight of Ridley, impaled straight through the chest.
While this would require many, many practice runs and superlative co - ordination on the part of cast and crew, it could just about theoretically be done, therefore the "credibility" level is maintained.
On a reading level, you're free to interpret the events however you want; if you like the idea of a universe where the Architect and all his kind are "real", then enjoy things on that level; if, however, you'd rather view the whole thing as a carefully crafted exercise in make - believe, that's fine too. I've always tried to make it work both ways.
With regard to the whole "invincibility" issue, I wish to add that because of the way Ridley prefers to have his character involved in heavily - storylined matches, most of the time the results of these are agreed beforehand between the parties involved. Because of this, Ridley generally has fewer matches than many other fed members, and has also stayed away from the belt competitions. This approach allows the cultiviation of an "unstoppable" image, though as many people have already noted, this image actually hides a character with significant fragilities.
However, Ridley does sometimes take matches which are not part of an ongoing storyline, and a notable recent example was his match with BK. This was given the normal calculations process, in which BK came out on top.
Which leads me on a slight tangent to those who persist in calling BK a "paper" champion. While this idea was used in the shows to reinforce the cowardly heel character which BK was building at the time, in terms of matches where the outcome was not predetermined and agreed by all those involved, BK won or lost on his own merits. At no time has BK ever "demanded" a win against an opponent who was expecting a calculated result, or tried to otherwise influence the general outcome of his matches other than through the legitimate channels of contribution.
So people, by all means go ahead and challenge one another's views, but be careful not to confuse fed characters with OOC....... ok?
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Post by BK London on Apr 5, 2005 16:39:23 GMT -5
Bless you AK. Bless you.
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Post by scrawn on Apr 5, 2005 19:07:01 GMT -5
thanks AK. I've seen the light. Sorta
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Post by kain on Apr 14, 2005 8:47:45 GMT -5
I agree completely with Davey Marvel.
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