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Post by Dalton on Jul 18, 2007 14:19:58 GMT -5
Queen.... FTW?
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 18, 2007 14:21:48 GMT -5
Just take the last show for example, TK gets mad because Stark writes complicated segments, and Stark gets mad because TK writes segments that are way, way out there. I would just like to say that I have never commented on the boards about his segments or his promos so that is incorrect. I keep my opinions about them off these boards, because quite frankly, I wasn't asked to give him. Nor do I or will I lobby against someone else based on how I personally feel about them. But thats just me.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Jul 18, 2007 14:53:02 GMT -5
Ok, two things. One fairly obvious, and one which is quite important.
One: I think other people have already said all that needs to be said about Starkweather, and Adrian said it the best. He’s a brutally honest person when it comes to his opinions. There are two things to note about that statement: first, honesty usually turns out to be the best policy, and there aren’t that many people about who will always tell you what they see as the truth, even if it’s not exactly what you want to hear. Second, however well informed an opinion may be, it’s still an opinion, especially when it comes to something as subjective as creative writing – so you’re completely free to take it on board or discard it as you will.
You all already know the score when it comes to having debates and arguments, so I won’t go over that again.
Two: The issue of what is and is not “Canon” in ACW has been mentioned in passing, and I feel it might be helpful if I clarify on this somewhat.
The ACW Universe has always been, shall we say, a little bit skewed. There are basically two environments – the ring, and official matches, and the backstage and wider world.
In the ring, we largely obey the laws of physics, with one or two slight bends where it makes for a good read. Whatever background a character has, their strength, agility etc. will conform to that which you might reasonably expect to see in a real wrestling match. (Note, though, that “real wrestling match” can cover WWE to TNA to Puro to ROH to CZW, depending on the circumstances.) If anything outside of this definition occurs, it must conform to the “live performance” rule – which means that it must be possible for the ACW crew and wrestlers to enact the event by means of live special effects and other tricks. An example of this was the “match” between Papylov the Explorer and Richard Parker; if you read that match carefully, you will see that the animals actually do very little, other than the odd bit of pawing or pouncing, and that AK and Hunter do most of the real work.
The only time this rule is broken is on a “bizzaro” show, which sits outside of the main ACW timeline, and those are very clearly advertised and marked.
In the backstage areas and all other places, ACW has a long, well established tradition of what I term “wrestling with fantasy elements”. In ACW’s world, gods, demons and monsters exist, people go on surreal adventures, and things can sometimes get rather strange. Because all backstage and other events are totally controlled by the roster, it’s entirely up to you if you choose to make use of the ACW universe’s properties or not. However, by participating in this fed, you are accepting this world-view and that other people may utilise it, even if you don’t want to. The vast majority of people who have participated in ACW over the years don’t have a problem with competing against someone who may be conducting a storyline involving fantastical elements – but if someone strongly objects to this approach, then I would venture that a fed like ACW is probably not going to be the best environment in which to spend their fedding time.
I hope that this makes the situation clearer, and that we can now let this particular tiff fall to rest.
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Post by starkweather on Jul 18, 2007 16:53:25 GMT -5
The ironic thing is, most everything you say IS a knock. Take note: I, or most other ACW’ers don’t go around into threads and ask people “How many NPC’s do YOU have??!?, because quite frankly, most people don’t give a shit. Ironically though, and almost laughable, it appears that whenever I give you back some of your meanness, you make an effort to try to get me banned from the federation over an argument that you started. However, in life, its almost important to learn the lessons of civility and respect. 1. That's not how you use the word "ironic". Also, how exactly do you know what the inflection an meaning is behind everything I say? Could you possibly be skewing my words to always mean the same thing regardless of content? See the above reaction by Freeman to my post about Spade, followed by Spade's admittance to my observation that he makes banner in such a fashion. 2. This is a prime example of something I say being taken out of context. How exactly do you know the context in which I asked that question, hmm? Could it have possibly been that I was asking him how many NPCs he had, he answered me and I responded in mild surprise? No? Alright then. 3. For the record, it wasn't me who offered to ban you. 4. Try and be a little civil about some feedback, bright eyes, this wouldn't have started if you hadn't taken exception to someone asking why something so ridiculous as fighting a Terminator was on a show. Oh, and thanks to AK for clearing that particular question up without insulting every little thing they know about me as per the usual.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jul 18, 2007 18:22:03 GMT -5
3. For the record, it wasn't me who offered to ban you. For it record, I've been told it was you who requested a ban. I used to have a least a little respect for you, you know, being the big bad tough guy and all. But that all flew out the window when you acted like a child who punched another, only to be punched back causing you to run to the teacher to tattle. And someone you talked to offered to ban me over this situation? Based on all the angles and what I've been told, finding out who said that would prove to be most interesting, wouldnt it?
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Post by BAWSE Train on Jul 18, 2007 18:42:27 GMT -5
*Bakes cookies and hands them out to everyone.* Can't we all just get along? Really folks I think this is ridiculous.
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Jul 18, 2007 18:53:16 GMT -5
Chef wins the No - bell peace prize for tonight.
*Hands Chef an inexpensive yet charmingly heavy award with no bells on it*
Seriously, everyone, just give it a rest now eh?
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Post by starkweather on Jul 18, 2007 18:53:58 GMT -5
*Beats Chef to death with the charmingly heavy award and then wears him like a housecoat.*
Oh, also, I wouldn't know who'd tell you something like that since the people you talk to are more or less not the people I talk to. I'll have a chat with Rena about it.
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Post by The Senator on Jul 18, 2007 20:04:35 GMT -5
*Replaces Chef's award, and puts the coveted Rodney King Award on his tombstone.*
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Post by Commissioner Zero on Jul 18, 2007 20:15:05 GMT -5
Honestly, though I do not agree with Stark sometimes I do think that his criticism can only help if you just turn your shoulder and let it help you and not offend.
I mean, I know it hurts to hear people say shit about your hard work, but still, what he says may "hurt your feelings" now, but in the long run you'll think back and maybe even go "Hm...maybe I SHOULD do that with my segments..."
So really guys, just drop it. I kow it's hard sometimes Kiss but just let it go with Stark. Don't let it get to ya, I mean it IS the internet....you don't have to type a responce if you don't want to so it's not like in real life where you're stuck right in the middle of it.
K? We done here? I highly doubt it, but c'mon enoughs enough.
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Post by Rena on Jul 18, 2007 20:29:08 GMT -5
Starkweather is a complicated person. I've been friends with him for about a year and there's still a lot of characteristics he has or things he says that kind of push me back and bite my lip in confusion. He's the type of person who says things that you aren't quite sure how to take his words.
The thing is, he is a brutally honest person. If you take what he says, knowing full well is marginally rude, and just shrug it off then the World is at peace. It is when you get very emotional about it and make topics like this that only fuels his desire to make sure what he says in the future hurts more than it did before you made a complaint. I know this because I was you a few years ago. I made complaints after complaints about countless people including Stark. Some were logical and had a very good reason behind it, and they were expressed with intelligence and fleshed out in a very complete fashion. The complaints where I would plainly state "___ is an asshole" without really fleshing out exactly what the problem is or without using more diplomatic words...well those usually didn't get resolved as quickly as one would hope.
Stark is like a nun's vagina. Unless you're God, it'll take you quite some time to finally open those legs. And I just realized I made the worst explanation of Stark ever and I apologize. Thing is, I've known stark for a year and when we met he was exactly the same. It took time to finally realize that the Stark we know on the boards is sometimes and sometimes not who he is when speaking to him separate from the board persona. It took me a length of time accepting that he is who he is, but I did it. There are times when he is very critical of things I do or say, and there are times I react like you have today. We argue it out, and then we both realize perhaps it had been blown out of proportion.
In conclusion, you either love Stark or you hate him. There is no middle. I've had times where I've hate, hate, hated him...but as of right now I have had no problem with him. If you learn to get a long with him and accept his faults, then everything would be fine. Let's not forget that you, Josh, are not perfect either yet we have not made complaints about your faults. granted, perhaps, you have not been here long enough for us to know your faults however when the time is right I'm pretty sure you would feel ganged upon if I had made a crusade against you. Stark is aware that he has some social problems, but he is not changing and he never will. That is who he is, for better or for worse however you look at it. We cannot change it, we can only smile on and accept it. If you don't like what he says, ignore it. It does take a while, but I think I've mastered it somewhat.
We want you here, Josh...Stark just says things like that. But Everyone, including Stark, has their bitchy days. I have seen my days and let me tell you they are LONG. Some people just don't click, and perhaps you two wont. Just try to live and let live, and hopefully it will just clear out. I'm glad you are here, and all of us are really excited and welcoming to ALL of our newcomers, including you. So don't feel like we don't need or want you. Just know that there are some people who try to shit on you....and right or wrong of them, you just need to keep on going.
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Post by drphate on Jul 18, 2007 21:10:44 GMT -5
I haven't been a member of ACW for long (a few weeks at best) but I do have prior e-fedding experience and I must confess that Mr. Starkweather is a tad bit abrasive....and that usually runs people off.
Whether it's a message board or not, all feelings aside, some kind of civility does make things run a whole lot smoother and eliminate lovely topics such as the one we're currently engrossed in. I agree with turning the other cheek but if a person has a history of being this way I can't see how it should be deemed acceptable.
That's just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Jack Jefferson on Jul 19, 2007 5:45:33 GMT -5
Stark is like a nun's vagina. Unless you're God, it'll take you quite some time to finally open those legs. Regardless of the serious nature of this topic...that = WIN!
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Post by joshthejerseyboy on Jul 19, 2007 8:25:44 GMT -5
Yes I know I have faults all of you have been helpful, but Stark just doesn't help all he says is can you leave? It's really not cool.
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Post by The Senator on Jul 19, 2007 12:29:08 GMT -5
Let it be, JJB. You're not going to solve anything by continuing in this topic.
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