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Post by chengling on Jan 6, 2007 19:08:31 GMT -5
I only include it during montages where there isn't any dialogue becuase (and I'm approaching this as if this segment were to actually be televised) I think it'd be better to give the "viewers" something to "hear" while this amalgamation of events is going on. Also, if the sound effects of a particular scene or scenes are irrelevant, then that's just as much of a filler as any song.
Also, I don't really use lyrics to "convey" emotions and images. It's used more like reinforcement to more heavily bolster the written text. Just like a song isn't the primary focus of a televised segment, the lyrics aren't intended to be the primary focus of a written segment.
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Post by starkweather on Jan 6, 2007 19:33:10 GMT -5
You used "Here It Goes Again" by OK GO to highlight Starkweather among others...
The lyrics are fluff, have little to nothing to do with the match since most of the songs are easy to find at radioblogclub.com, and above all are in bold and detract rom the match as a whole to the point that if I see a segment with lyrics in it I skip right over it. That's how annoying they get.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Jan 6, 2007 19:34:44 GMT -5
First, if you chose the correct song to match the occasion of the scene, lyrics serve to strengthen the mood of the scene. For example, "Down With The Sickness" talks about awakening that demonic part of your psyche that encourages you to go all out and destroy your enemies. When I include the lyrics in Nick's intro, I feel that it furthers the image of Nick getting ready to take on his opponent. It doesnt work for me, whenever I see your Down with the Sickness lyrics I think up Monty Brown...(LOl, cheap ripoffs of songs for themes FTW. Go TNA)
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Post by chengling on Jan 6, 2007 19:47:40 GMT -5
You used "Here It Goes Again" by OK GO to highlight Starkweather among others... The lyrics are fluff, have little to nothing to do with the match since most of the songs are easy to find at radioblogclub.com, and above all are in bold and detract rom the match as a whole to the point that if I see a segment with lyrics in it I skip right over it. That's how annoying they get. It was an awards show, a fairly upbeat event, which requires a fairly upbeat song. I don't use lyrics during a match, only during an entrance for the reasons I previously highlighted. And Freeman, Monty Brown's "Down With The Sickness" was not the original version of the song, but rather a remake of sorts. So there.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Jan 6, 2007 20:07:20 GMT -5
I am aware, hence how I said "Cheap ripoff" it still is based off of the song. And I still think of him when I see your entrance. So THERE
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Post by chengling on Jan 6, 2007 20:15:41 GMT -5
But it's not the same song, so only a doo doo head could make that association. *raspberry face*
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Post by Jason Freeman on Jan 6, 2007 20:16:42 GMT -5
It's close enough. So you lose.
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Post by chengling on Jan 6, 2007 20:19:34 GMT -5
Only close enough for a doo doo head.
And by the way, Starky-poo, I put lyrics in the entrance for your match. What are you gonna do? Not read your own match? Huh? HUH?!
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Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on Jan 7, 2007 7:46:35 GMT -5
*Wanders into topic and ducks hail of verbal missiles*
Ok, here's my personal opinion on the use of lyrics for fedding purposes. Please note the use of the words "personal" and "opinion" in sequence, this is in no way meant to be how things "should" be done in ACW or in any fed for that matter.
People who've been here a while have probably noticed that I sometimes include lyrics in both matches and segments. For match purposes, I tend to reprint the lyrics if it's the debut of a new theme for a wrestler; in such circumstances they draw attention to the theme change and add a little something to the "ambience" if you will. Thereafter, I usually don't post the lyrics again unless requested to, or unless it's a really big match and I want to highlight the entrance sequence as being something above and beyond a standard contest.
My own take on things is that once people have read lyrics once or twice, they'll have familiarised themselves and therefore be more interested in the other parts of the match, therefore there's no pressing need to include them on every occassion. This is particularly true in a fed like ours where each show contains a great deal of new content and hence it takes something a bit above the norm for a piece of work to really stand out.
Lyrics in segments, to my mind, should be treated in the same way as any other dramatic device - applied in an appropriate context and used in moderation. Lyrics can certainly evoke a mood in the reader and support more conventional text, and when used to highlight moments of particular emotion they can be exceptionally powerful. The other side to the coin, however, is that however good a set of lyrics is, 99.9% of the time they're someone else's work. They should support a writer's message without forming the bulk of the text on a page, and this is where reprinting the entire set of lyrics to a song can occassionally go awry.
Nick made the point about the use of music as background, and I can see what he's getting at. The way I'd approach something like this would be perhaps to take a small section of the lyric and use it near the start of a piece, noting that the song continues in the background. This lets the reader get a handle on how the rest of the scene plays, without swamping the rest of the segment in chunks of lyric that break up the flow of the actual events.
The one exception to this is the production of a "video highlights package" that some people prepare for inclusion right before a massive contest (e.g. a feud-ender or PPV main event). In this scenario the use of full lyrics is appropriate because the music is driving the "visuals", which in a real package are cut around to fit the music and words. As my description of these suggests, my opinion is that this sort of segment is best suited to use in specific circumstances and less useful as a more general segment type, but of course if that's what people enjoy writing I have no problem whatsoever including them in any show.
So yeah, that's my two cents on lyrics in fedding. Do feel free to dispute, counter-argue or contend them as you see fit.
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Post by The Senator on Jan 7, 2007 8:08:18 GMT -5
I think I'm in the Stark camp on this one, for the most part. Especially with DwtS, which I doubt anyone here hasn't heard before, multiple times.
That's not to say that there's not a time and a place when such entrances are appropriate, but Warfare and Meltdown usually are not, far as I'm concerned.
Not a knock on Durden's overall skill or anything, though, just wanted to make that clear, since simple arguements like this one can get out of hand in a single post.
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Post by hunter on Jan 7, 2007 9:03:37 GMT -5
Nick made the point about the use of music as background, and I can see what he's getting at. The way I'd approach something like this would be perhaps to take a small section of the lyric and use it near the start of a piece, noting that the song continues in the background. This lets the reader get a handle on how the rest of the scene plays, without swamping the rest of the segment in chunks of lyric that break up the flow of the actual events. AK to the rescue. Durden, start doing that. I've done that before as well, although most of the time they were my own original lyrics or such. It works much better. And you might as well do that since apparently half of ACW will eat you for not doing it.
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Post by chengling on Jan 7, 2007 11:18:38 GMT -5
Ya'll bring up good points, only I wish you would've brought it up BEFORE I sent in the segment and match for Warfare. Oh well, I guess I'll reform in later works. For now, just wade through everything that's bold, and we'll be dandy.
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Post by Rena on Jan 9, 2007 14:36:12 GMT -5
I'm a musical theater actor, I break out into song on a regular basis. Im a music theatre actor aswell, and Im not THAT bad. I talk about it (ask Hunter) but, I never put lyrics in my segments. The only thing that gets on my nerves is the constant use of lyrics in a segment. Sure, ACW is pretty weird. But Im sure they dont have songs playing throughout segments. And the fact that 1/2 of the segment, if not 3/4 of it is lyrics...which makes me wonder...
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