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Post by VorteX on Mar 7, 2012 15:14:39 GMT -5
You and ExlaX absolutely missed the point. The Rock doesn't care! He's receiving a cool check for 'Mania and he's not losing any star power in Hollywood so why would he even bother with wrestling. It's been so blatantly obvious since day one. It's the same with why Cena's going over big. Why wouldn't WWE, on their programming, put over their biggest asset? It'd be ludicrous for him not to come out looking like he's better than the Rock. Two things very wrong with this statement. 1. Rock makes more than enough money in Hollywood, and does not need wrestling nor its fans to support him. He is not Flair or Hogan, who has to come back and take a gig for the money. He's said time and time again he loves wrestling and wanted to do something 'special' with the WWE in-between movies. 2. Playing devil's advocate here, if he is truly just phoning it in, why only on the live promos? Why are his taped promos the same as they've always been? Shouldn't he be 'putting Cena over' on both, not just one? It's obvious that WWE wants this to be 50/50. The Rock is The Rock on the taped stuff, Cena owns him live. I think there is more to it though, the writing on the arm and crap is scripted, but Rock has lost his touch. He's not phoning it in, he's just not used to doing promos on a daily basis anymore...thus it makes him look twice as bad when WWE intentionally makes Cena look better when they are in the ring together. In short CP, you kinda contradict yourself. If he doesn't care and doesn't need the WWE (which is partially true as he doesn't need the WWE anymore), why in the world would he go back and put Cena over?
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Post by Bobby McManus on Mar 7, 2012 18:01:20 GMT -5
Yeah I thought the Rock's stuff on Monday was pretty decent and had me laughing at times. Some of his other stuff seems blah at times, like he's not interested...but this monday looked a little diff. Maybe he's starting to feel it as we get closer and closer.
But most arguments put here are pretty spot on. It's there and will probably be a decent match with alot of crowd energy. But I don't have that feeling I had going into Rock/Hogan.
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Post by Dan White on Mar 8, 2012 20:47:01 GMT -5
It's all like "fuck off rock I dont care about twitter talk about going to the smackdown hotel"
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Mar 9, 2012 11:14:04 GMT -5
You and ExlaX absolutely missed the point. The Rock doesn't care! He's receiving a cool check for 'Mania and he's not losing any star power in Hollywood so why would he even bother with wrestling. It's been so blatantly obvious since day one. It's the same with why Cena's going over big. Why wouldn't WWE, on their programming, put over their biggest asset? It'd be ludicrous for him not to come out looking like he's better than the Rock. Two things very wrong with this statement. 1. Rock makes more than enough money in Hollywood, and does not need wrestling nor its fans to support him. He is not Flair or Hogan, who has to come back and take a gig for the money. He's said time and time again he loves wrestling and wanted to do something 'special' with the WWE in-between movies. 2. Playing devil's advocate here, if he is truly just phoning it in, why only on the live promos? Why are his taped promos the same as they've always been? Shouldn't he be 'putting Cena over' on both, not just one? It's obvious that WWE wants this to be 50/50. The Rock is The Rock on the taped stuff, Cena owns him live. I think there is more to it though, the writing on the arm and crap is scripted, but Rock has lost his touch. He's not phoning it in, he's just not used to doing promos on a daily basis anymore...thus it makes him look twice as bad when WWE intentionally makes Cena look better when they are in the ring together. In short CP, you kinda contradict yourself. If he doesn't care and doesn't need the WWE (which is partially true as he doesn't need the WWE anymore), why in the world would he go back and put Cena over? "Rock makes enough money in Hollywood so he wouldn't wrestle!" has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If you were offered a cool check in the neigbourhood of 1 million let's say - for what's amounted to probably ten days of work you take that in a heart beat. It has nothing do with putting Cena over or what not, and strictly to do with the Benjamins'. As for his taped promo's, even they've not been as high as he's used to - you've just had your ideas of a good promo tainted over the past three years as you watch the monkey's fling shit at each other. Seriously, it's like you're writing the stuff for WWE nowadays.
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Post by VorteX on Mar 11, 2012 21:06:57 GMT -5
Again, he's not Hogan...that is he's not that desperate. Also, half the time he's shooting or getting ready to shoot (see: going over scripts and such) for movies WHILE he's doing the wrestling thing. That's a lot of stress to put up with, especially since he's filthy rich as it is.
No one is going to do it for the money unless:
1. They're broke (Hogan / Flair) 2. They're greedy (basically how Flair spent money in his prime)
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Post by Dan White on Mar 12, 2012 22:16:17 GMT -5
Well it's a crap queen song but rock still used it and his whole concert there was ace with the whole virgin schtik.
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Post by Bobby McManus on Mar 12, 2012 22:20:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed his songs more then I thought I would. Had my parents laughing at least
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Post by Jason Freeman on Mar 12, 2012 22:55:51 GMT -5
I don't really get all the Rock love after the concert. I thought Cena was much better today. Sure there was some nostalgia over seeing rapper Cena again, but Cena's promo at least was focused on blasting Rock instead of pandering to the crowd with the stupid "Cleveland rocks" thing over and over again. He did the same song over and over again and his jokes were just really cheesy. He could have had the same heel Rock energy he had in the originals if he blasted the Cena fans more than once.
I dunno, I feel like Cena's been better every week and for the first time in maybe 8 years I'm actually supporting Cena.
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Post by VorteX on Mar 13, 2012 21:42:28 GMT -5
Face Rock Concert wasn't as good as it could have been...and that ending was just weird. I still like it better than wigger cena though.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Mar 14, 2012 1:51:47 GMT -5
Wigger Cena is awesome and I wish it was still what he is now. He was awesome in that gimmick.
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Post by Dan White on Mar 14, 2012 6:01:28 GMT -5
Dwayne has forgotten how to be the rock
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Mar 14, 2012 9:51:31 GMT -5
Again, he's not Hogan...that is he's not that desperate. Also, half the time he's shooting or getting ready to shoot (see: going over scripts and such) for movies WHILE he's doing the wrestling thing. That's a lot of stress to put up with, especially since he's filthy rich as it is. No one is going to do it for the money unless: 1. They're broke (Hogan / Flair) 2. They're greedy (basically how Flair spent money in his prime) The depth of your stupidity is absolutely amazing. I honestly can't fathom a single person, let a lone a type a personality like Rock/Dwayne Johnson, turning down an opportunity to make a cool milly for ten days work - no matter how 'rich' they are. That's how the world works VorteX, you work to get money and if someone's going to overpay you to do something you take it. Maybe you'd realize that if you stepped out of your mothers basement for once.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Mar 14, 2012 11:40:47 GMT -5
Here goes CP again...unable to have a discussion without needlessly insulting the person he's arguing with and acting like he always knows better than anybody else. You're like a petty kid just taking shots at Vortex in every post.
Is rock in it for the money? Maybe. I don't disagree with you there. But vortex is stupid for thinking otherwise? There's more in the equation than money CP. For one, being associated with WWE could hurt Rocks mainstream image he's worked for for years. It could stand in the way of him wanting to seem like a legitimate actor with WWE being looked down on by mainstream. In addition wrestling a full length match at Wrestlemania gives him a relatively high chance of hurting himself and certainly won't be an easy job for someone away from the ring for so long. He's obviously had to train a bunch to wear off ring rust. And if this affects his image or he hurts himself that could negatively affect him in the future. There are tons of safer ways for him to make a quick buck. I don't disagree you but it's ridiculous to say Vortex is a moron for seeing things differently than you do. But that's your thing CP if somebody disagrees with you you instantly think they're an idiot because obviously you know everything and are always right.
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Post by VorteX on Mar 14, 2012 23:51:58 GMT -5
Again, he's not Hogan...that is he's not that desperate. Also, half the time he's shooting or getting ready to shoot (see: going over scripts and such) for movies WHILE he's doing the wrestling thing. That's a lot of stress to put up with, especially since he's filthy rich as it is. No one is going to do it for the money unless: 1. They're broke (Hogan / Flair) 2. They're greedy (basically how Flair spent money in his prime) The depth of your stupidity is absolutely amazing. I honestly can't fathom a single person, let a lone a type a personality like Rock/Dwayne Johnson, turning down an opportunity to make a cool milly for ten days work - no matter how 'rich' they are. That's how the world works VorteX, you work to get money and if someone's going to overpay you to do something you take it. Maybe you'd realize that if you stepped out of your mothers basement for once. He's working more than Taker now for God's sake. One of them is a wrestler, and one of them is an actor, yet the actor is now working more than the wrestler...'just for the money'? I don't think so. For you to say that CP, makes Rock sound as if he needs wrestling in some way. Also, only a mere million (not sure where the figure comes from, but let's go with it) for a huge draw of a match and over a year's worth of leadup (again, not sure where you are getting 10 days work from, he's been around a lot more than that) is pretty crappy, considering someone like Taker has to make close to that and appear far less. No, Rock isn't bad because he isn't trying. He's truly lost the wrestling thing...it's an evolution of character. The Rock is an actor now, losing to Cena is both scripted and non-scripted...even in the parts where Rock is supposed to have the upper hand, he just doesn't deliver. In short, if you think Rock is coming back 'for the money' to be a part of a feud that is basically destroying his legacy, then I'm really not sure what to say to you at this point.
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2012 10:15:34 GMT -5
Here goes CP again...unable to have a discussion without needlessly insulting the person he's arguing with and acting like he always knows better than anybody else. You're like a petty kid just taking shots at Vortex in every post. Yeah, seriously. Tone it down, CP. I don't have much to contribute to this discussion at all. However, I will say that I haven't felt this underwhelmed about a WrestleMania in a long time. Not just with Rock/Cena... None of it sounds appealing to me. HHH/Taker have yet another match, Sheamus is obviously winning the WHC, Show is going to squash Rhodes, and Punk/Jericho will most likely kick off the show to make more time for the GM tag match.
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