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Post by Kim Jong CP on Oct 11, 2010 22:57:40 GMT -5
For almost eight years, ACW has been one of the top e-fed's on the internet. It's strived to do something different – with most e-feds being a standard role play or angle based environment, where the control you possessed over your character was minimal, ACW sought to give you almost complete control.
With that control however, came responsibility. The health of this fed has been dependent on everyone pulling their weight. For seven years it worked marvelously, providing many amazing moments, but slowly over time, the shows and the roster have eroded and tonight, I think we've come to a point where we must consider whether we are in ACW for fun, or because we feel committed to doing it.
For many, ACW helped us grow up in some capacity, and in a way it is a little brother. We wish to participate but as we have grown up our time for the little brother has diminished.
Tonight, we have a total of two segments submitted for the show. We know personally that this is a low for ACW in eight years, and so we am posting this to ask you the members, is ACW going to continue?
If we do our best, we can continue to produce a well written show, but we must be committed to doing so. We're a small crew, but a solid one, when we do produce.
We want your honest opinion, and know that without you it will not survive. Do you have the time to commit two hours a week to writing for us? Do you have the passion to do this? Is the fire still burning?
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I know personally that I have the last two, but not the third. I am hoping that you will be honest in your assessment of them. If you have all three, please respond with a yes, but if you're lacking even one, please, say no.
Thanks, James
In my case, although I can be quite busy, I do think I can check the box for all three, but if we are going to continue, I want it to be a team effort. I generally take after Ronald Reagan in my general optimism, so it is with a heavy heart that I acknowledge the situation is not a good one. ACW has weathered many storms, but this one is without a doubt the most difficult of them all. I do not want to give up without a fight. I also wish to be pragmatic, and if we cannot put together a show at this point, it is best that we plan one last, grand run to end things on our own terms, rather than to fade uneventfully into the sunset. I do not believe that it is inevitable that we are through, but I also want to make sure we do this the right way.
Senator
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Post by Claude LeBatard on Oct 12, 2010 10:07:41 GMT -5
Sorry i couldn't get anything in yesterday, i've been rushed around all week and have had loads of shit to do >_< Also the business looks to continue for the moment as school just keeps piling on the work.
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Post by TJ on Oct 12, 2010 10:52:06 GMT -5
Do I have the time: Yes Do I have the passion?: Doubt it Do I have the fire burning?: No.
Honestly, I had too much real life since the surgery to think about fedding. I barely care to book for a fed I am in. I dunno if I would be back to fedding until like the summer
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Post by The Mainerishi on Oct 12, 2010 11:44:28 GMT -5
As much as it pains me to even think of typing this I'm afraid I have to check no on all three accounts.
Do I have the time? In between my social life continuing to boom, managing my current relationship with my girlfriend and simply having the time to take a breather I really don't have time to pile up 4 promo's a week.
Do I have the passion? Again, no. It's been no secret that I've been anything less than motivated these past few months. Most will credit it to me finally having won the big one and losing my energy from everything I put into it but the death of my interest in ACW happened much earlier than that. As much as I hate to bring it up, my true undying energy for ACW died around the time of the Mainer/London conflict when I departed to SLA and reluctantly came back here. It hasn't been the same since.
Do I have the fire burning? No. I have about as much fire as an abandoned morgue.
I can honestly say to you there was once a time when I would wake up at 5AM in the morning the day an assignment was due in at school because I'd spent the night previously doing segments. Now, that idea wouldn't even remotely cross my mind. I've been with ACW for what, three, four years now and I've had some of the best times of my life here but now I simply can't carry on.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Oct 12, 2010 12:48:41 GMT -5
If I may interject myself here, I feel that there's a pretty big misconception here as to the decline of ACW. You ask if there's time, passion, and motivation. Well I think it's clear that everybody has a decrease in motivation and passion, including myself. But I don't think that that decrease is only a cause of the decline, but is for the most part an effect.
For example, if you have to write because you feel like without writing four segments the show will be weak, and you're not getting much competition or feedback, you're not going to have much passion for what you're doing. How could you? Back in the day when everybody was active and there was tons of competition and buzz, and people talking about ACW even on XBox live...everybody cared. Then of course there were a few who lost motivation and then the fed weakened, and as the fed weakened others lost motivation as a result, leading to even the most motivated having a shell of ACW left, and so they too lost motivation. The lack of motivation of a select few becomes the lack of motivation of everyone...
I think its a moot point to ask about everybody's passion levels at the moment, because the lack of passion is because of the state of the fed for most I would think. There are a few who it is because of their real lives really getting in the way, and having no care at all for fedding even in the greatest fed in the world, but for the most part I am pretty sure it is ACW itself that is the problem, and the question is why?
There are very few members of the roster who were around for ACW's glory days. Off the top of my head the only four are Mainer, Dan White, The Senator, and myself. I guess Chris Phenomenal did come in towards the end of the good days, but ACW as it was in my opinion really stopped after the controversy at Omega Effect last year, so I would say CP was around for the last six months or so of the good days.
The problem as I can see it is the way ACW is viewed by its members. For example a lot of people in ACW are in other feds, which I guess there is nothing wrong with, but its become a HUGE number of people, as compared to what Im pretty sure was a relatively small number of people back when it was active. Its gotten to the point where the majority of the roster views ACW as a second little side project that they show up to once a week hand in a promo or two and leave. That's never how it used to be. They don't realize that ACW was once something much more, and that it was not just a little side place that you go once in a while but a bustling community, with active forums, chats, and discussions. ACW was everybody's commitmment. Now, look at the boards. Almost nobody posts. None of the new guys really post actively and then they dissapear, why can't ACW hold people? Because ACW is viewed as a side fed, it's not interesting, and without the activity there's no reason to really stick around.
When this situation really worsened, and I was feeling the lack of passion and excitement, the first thing I thought was that you know what, while I hate to admit it, I just want ACW to end at this point....but then I realized, no, that isn't quite true. I want THIS CURRENT ACW to end, and to become the ACW of old. It isnt me personally just losing interest, its the fed. At one time it was exciting and being part of it felt like being part of a real federation, with real champions, real title matches. Reading an ACW Pay-per-view was honestly to me like watching a WWE pay-per-view. I read matches word by word to see who the champion would be, and felt like there were three feds I actively followed. WWE, TNA, and ACW. I know it sounds absurd to people now, and Im sure that some of it was because I joined ACW at 14 and am now 18...but Im sure Im not the only one who knows ACW at one time was important enough to its members to feel like an actual federation that was worth following. And all I want is for that to happen again.
I hate to be that annoying guy, but I really think that ACW still can be saved. And I can say that honestly. But it's only going to happen if people realize what it once was, and try to get together as a community to make it that way again, just like the old days when we'd all gather on Call of Duty or something, have fun online, and discuss ACW. Proud enough of ACW to put it in our clan name (Though we told others it stood for the "awesome cowboys of wrestling" which led to hilarious conversations online.)
Veterans like the ones previously mentioned can help newer guys get really into angles and the ACW style, but we can't do it without dedicated new guys. New guys who will step up and want to be a part of something great. That will read shows and comment on them, talk on the forums, and help build a community. I can see potential for that in Claude, but the example isnt being set right now that ACW is that kind of place. Because it isnt just a fun little place to go for people who are in a better more serious fed. I can honestly say Ive never been in another fed, so maybe I am biased, but I cant imagine that ACW at its best could be beaten that easily by any other fed out there.
Again, the thing is, as the fed declines, it declines more. We can claim the fed is done because we can't bring in new members or keep new members? Guess what, though, the reason nobody's going to stay is BECAUSE of the current state. Why should they? How can we advertise if there's no product worth advertising? If we can just build up ACW a bit internally, and really work on getting some solid stuff going, then we CAN keep new guys. All new guys stayed and committed to ACW because of what it was, and how much fun it was to be a part of, and the community as well. If it isnt fun to be a part of and there IS no community we arent going to GET new people, because there's no reason for them to stay.
Im not saying I myself am innocent, and that Im condemning others. Ill admit, I have slipped myself. I stopped feedbacking when I keep meaning to start again, and I havent commented on all the shows when I know how important that is (And it is important. Everybody should comment on the shows if possible. Right now there's no discussion about anything...nobody seems to care what feuds are going on when in the past everybody would.)
Sometimes it takes a moment like this to look back and look at what ACW was and realize how much we want that back, and then try to get it.
We all let ACW become a shell and lost focus on all the things that were amazing about it in the past. We can recapture that. We just need to try.
I really hope Im not alone in my sentiments here, and all it takes is a couple of people to commit. If succesful, when ACW can become fun again. Active again. COMPETITIVE again, then it will continue to grow as people see what we all once saw in AC-Dub, and WANT To get in on it. And we'll be having fun again as well, and I honestly believe that will include guys like Mainer for example who had given up on having passion for it anymore.
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Post by Buddy Ghee on Oct 12, 2010 18:53:24 GMT -5
As much as I enjoy E-Fedding, it's really not one of my priorities. I do it when I can, and I really do try, but I won't drop anything for it.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Oct 12, 2010 23:15:29 GMT -5
As much as I enjoy E-Fedding, it's really not one of my priorities. I do it when I can, and I really do try, but I won't drop anything for it. This is essentially why I asked about passion Freeman, similarly to what Mainer said. I know people who wouldn't make E-fedding a priority, but would make time because they had passion. Some of your points are relative I will concede but in the end, everything does end. We're not going to just drop dead though, if this is the end and judging from the responses ... it is, we will go out with a bang. We owe eight years that much.
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Post by TJ on Oct 13, 2010 7:42:46 GMT -5
If we do go out with a bang, I still have a title shot that I want to use
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Post by Claude LeBatard on Oct 13, 2010 13:42:25 GMT -5
I'll still attempt to get segments out for aslong as shows are posted, but there seems to be about 5 people in this topic, so it would seem the rest aren't even here.
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Post by Buddy Ghee on Oct 13, 2010 18:20:57 GMT -5
Honestly, guys, I've gotten busy. Like, really busy. Freeman already knows this, but I've joined the wrestling team. I don't get home until six, and I'm so exhausted or sore that I really don't feel like doing anything except shooting the shit with my friends and listening to music.
I guess I should be doing more on weekends, but I don't even get my calcs until right before it's due.
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Oct 13, 2010 21:04:47 GMT -5
Honestly, guys, I've gotten busy. Like, really busy. Freeman already knows this, but I've joined the wrestling team. I don't get home until six, and I'm so exhausted or sore that I really don't feel like doing anything except shooting the shit with my friends and listening to music. I guess I should be doing more on weekends, but I don't even get my calcs until right before it's due. I'd take six in a heart beat, I'm at school by 8 and Wednesday is the only day I get home before 10. Essentially, what's brought this on is this, as well as Buddy's coment. It's not that people are in multiple feds Jase, it's that essentially, they can only commit to ACW when they have time and unlike other feds, not showing a week doesn't kill them. That said however, when there's only five guys showing on a given week, it doesn't work. I'm going to keep this open, but I'm thinking at the moment ACW has reached the point we knew would come eventually.
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Post by Frank Washington on Oct 13, 2010 21:47:02 GMT -5
Do I have the time: Yes Do I have the passion or fire burning: losing it fast.
I have to say that I wasn't too happy that neither my match or my partners were even bothered to be posted last week. I understand things come up and if efedding is not a top priority, I completely understand that real life comes first. However that being said I feel myself starting to become disillusioned with efedding again like i was before i took my year long hiatus and it started near the end of my tenure with a previous fed I was in (which some of you here may know what i'm talking about and the reasons why).
I'm losing the fire and passion i have for fedding again. i don't know if this started before i came to ACW or if it is in part with ACW's decline but because of CP and TJ being here i decided to give this place another shot since my last run was far from memorable. I'm the new guy here but having neither my match or my partners even bothered to have been posted really cut any motivation i was having for ACW. I realize the segment was subpar and not up to what i'm used to writing but seeing as it wouldve just been a match summary and not a full length match and instead not even being bothered to have been posted brings up bad memories of a previous fed and quite honestly left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Oct 13, 2010 23:01:42 GMT -5
It wasnt anything to do with the segment...Buddy Ghee had taken one of those matches, but he never sent it in...I had hoped he would send it the next day or something but that never happened. That was a show where almost nobody took matches, I wrote one of them, hoping that Buddy would write his and that maybe someone else could carry the other one, but as you know that didn't end up happening... Sorry, Big Frank
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Post by Kris on Oct 13, 2010 23:06:16 GMT -5
Hey guys, my schedule's finally freed up enough for me to come bac--
*looks up*
...talk about craptastic timing.
>.>
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Post by Kim Jong CP on Oct 14, 2010 9:55:58 GMT -5
Do I have the time: Yes Do I have the passion or fire burning: losing it fast. I have to say that I wasn't too happy that neither my match or my partners were even bothered to be posted last week. I understand things come up and if efedding is not a top priority, I completely understand that real life comes first. However that being said I feel myself starting to become disillusioned with efedding again like i was before i took my year long hiatus and it started near the end of my tenure with a previous fed I was in (which some of you here may know what i'm talking about and the reasons why). I'm losing the fire and passion i have for fedding again. i don't know if this started before i came to ACW or if it is in part with ACW's decline but because of CP and TJ being here i decided to give this place another shot since my last run was far from memorable. I'm the new guy here but having neither my match or my partners even bothered to have been posted really cut any motivation i was having for ACW. I realize the segment was subpar and not up to what i'm used to writing but seeing as it wouldve just been a match summary and not a full length match and instead not even being bothered to have been posted brings up bad memories of a previous fed and quite honestly left a bad taste in my mouth. I will take this one. That job, the last minute matches usually falls onto my shoulders ... but Monday Nights are just an absolute pain, and I never even got onto ACW until Thursday last week ... didn't even the read the show because I don't get more than twenty minutes in front of a computer at a time often. Frank, you know me from ECF and the things I would do to make sure everyone's matches was written ... don't let one week fuck ya over, it's on me and I'll (try) and make sure it doesn't happen again if we go forth.
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