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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 13:46:09 GMT -5
To stop the RAFS topic getting locked again, I'm making this topic. Basically: Me and Rep were arguing Cody goes off the rails throwing personal insults (things like shut your mouth and get your first ball hair etc) at me despite me not insulting him or anything as can be seen below: PANTHER! MAN! Jesus fucking Christ. You two had moved on from the pointless flame war and started having a civil chat about TNA being number 1 in UK. Then you shat all over that because you are some immature 12 year old English Muffin. Shut your mouth. Go get your first ball hair. Come back. Act like a man. I then point out the irony at the act like a man statement. The irony is Cody is feminine due to pretending to be female early in ACW (I took the time too read a lot of old ACW stuff a while ago), being called the Queen of fresh, his manner of speaking and role playing as a female. Many people have said they thought Cody was a female at first, I included. Cody says that I said that because he is gay. So how is this my fault, Rep? Oh, and three times I sent Cody messages (twice in chat, once by PM) saying I'm sorry for offending him, even though I did not do it intentionaly, and for dragging on the argument, none of which he replied too, despite him having seen all three. I'm not making this big a thing because I don't want a warning (TBH just a warning isn't match), I'm doing this so people don't think I'm homophobic mistakenly.
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 14:00:41 GMT -5
It was very obvious what you were implying... everyone sees it and I think you do to, but you're ignoring it. You can't say that you were saying it about his personality... it goes hand in hand with his sexuality. You can't have it both ways. You made an insulting comment whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, thus his "insults" were warranted.
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Post by El Shadowo on Sept 9, 2009 14:07:56 GMT -5
Considering this is specifically addressed at one or two members of the community, couldn't this at least have been attempted to be solved via PM or MSN or something like that first?
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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 14:17:12 GMT -5
I wasn't implying it had anything to do with him being gay, I would know if I was trying to imply something more than you would thank you. You are also saying his sexuality defines his personality, which is more discriminating then me saying he is feminine. All I said is he is feminine, that doesn't imply anything to do with his sexuality. You are acting as though I quoted his post and went "STFU fag" or something, when I did nothing of the sort, I pointed out things which are true.
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Post by VorteX on Sept 9, 2009 14:21:39 GMT -5
Inevitably this crap spills onto the boards because of certain people, and as Panther pointed out PM's obviously aren't working with the person in question. As far as my input into this Rena/Cody went way farther than what Panther's comment warranted. In fact Rena was posting irrelevant pictures of himself (which are intended to cause drama) and insulted Panther long before Panther made a comment in return.
In direct regards to the 'flame', by acting feminine (gay or not) you cannot be 'a man' metaphorically, because you are acting like a woman. So the irony in the statement was Rena can never act like a man (or 'be a man' as it is commonly referred to) unless he quits acting like a woman. This has NOTHING to do with sexual preference or 'gayness'.
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 14:49:37 GMT -5
I wasn't implying it had anything to do with him being gay, I would know if I was trying to imply something more than you would thank you. You are also saying his sexuality defines his personality, which is more discriminating then me saying he is feminine. All I said is he is feminine, that doesn't imply anything to do with his sexuality. You are acting as though I quoted his post and went "STFU fag" or something, when I did nothing of the sort, I pointed out things which are true. You knew what you meant, and you're now backtracking to ease the offense. It isn't working.
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 14:51:25 GMT -5
Inevitably this crap spills onto the boards because of certain people, and as Panther pointed out PM's obviously aren't working with the person in question. As far as my input into this Rena/Cody went way farther than what Panther's comment warranted. In fact Rena was posting irrelevant pictures of himself (which are intended to cause drama) and insulted Panther long before Panther made a comment in return. In direct regards to the 'flame', by acting feminine (gay or not) you cannot be 'a man' metaphorically, because you are acting like a woman. So the irony in the statement was Rena can never act like a man (or 'be a man' as it is commonly referred to) unless he quits acting like a woman. This has NOTHING to do with sexual preference or 'gayness'. To say that those pictures were being posted to cause drama is so far from the truth ...
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 14:52:45 GMT -5
And I haven't been PMed once, so no.. it can't work if it isn't happening. And it won't work because JDM refuses to admit what he was saying. It's very obvious what it was and for anyone who can't see it or refuse to admit it, you're wrong.
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Post by El Shadowo on Sept 9, 2009 14:52:50 GMT -5
Listen guys, regardless of what was meant or implied, you've got to realise that sometimes, especially on the internet, people will get offended by what you say. Even if you didn't mean to intend something, you've got to realise that stating that over and over and over is not going to resolve the situation.
You've made your case Red. You've said you didn't mean to offend anyone. But unless your next post is some achknowledgement that despite what you intended, some offence was caused, then there's no point posting again.
One of the worst traits of ACW at the moment is these stupid circlular arguements where one person says something, person two disagrees, person one says the same thing again, person two disagrees, and repeat. If you've got something to say, say it. Maybe repeat it once. But don't keep posting it over and over and over....
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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 14:58:45 GMT -5
And I haven't been PMed once, so no.. it can't work if it isn't happening. And it won't work because JDM refuses to admit what he was saying. It's very obvious what it was and for anyone who can't see it or refuse to admit it, you're wrong. I didn't PM you because the issue was specificly with Cody. And I do refuse to say I intentionaly offended Cody, because I never made any reference to his sexuality. Dave, in my PM I said something like "Although I did not intend to offend you, I can see why you may see it like I did and understand why you would be offended". I have admited it may have caused offence, my issue is with people saying I made the post with the intention of offending Cody and the like.
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 15:01:50 GMT -5
So here's another conflict that goes unresolved... and possibly unpunished (for the right people anyway)
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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 15:02:21 GMT -5
It's very obvious what it was and for anyone who can't see it or refuse to admit it, you're wrong. Stop acting like you know it all and the like. For example, making statements like saying you know I didn't listen to the show, when I have listend to every show yet and trying to say I'm homophobic and discriminate, despite the fact you make hundreds of gay jokes and in GWF repetedly called me a foggot etc. YOU can't act like a saint and say people are wrong for having a certain opinion.
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Post by rep on Sept 9, 2009 15:03:52 GMT -5
I never said that I wasn't homophobic. I am actually disgusted by Cody's choice of lifestyle.
Just kidding... but in seriousness, I never claimed to take issue with the joke because it was a gay joke, I took issue because you were randomly insulting one of the core members of ACW and moreso because he didn't even flame you and was actually trying to lighten up your flames.
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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 15:04:05 GMT -5
So here's another conflict that goes unresolved... and possibly unpunished (for the right people anyway) It's not unresolved, since this topic is still going. It would go unresolved if it turned into persoanl insults and the like. We have already established the events better in here because tempers arn't raging.
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Post by The Red Panther on Sept 9, 2009 15:05:44 GMT -5
I never said that I wasn't homophobic. I am actually disgusted by Cody's choice of lifestyle. Just kidding... but in seriousness, I never claimed to take issue with the joke because it was a gay joke, I took issue because you were randomly insulting one of the core members of ACW and moreso because he didn't even flame you and was actually trying to lighten up your flames. Randomly insulting? PANTHER! MAN! Jesus fucking Christ. You two had moved on from the pointless flame war and started having a civil chat about TNA being number 1 in UK. Then you shat all over that because you are some immature 12 year old English Muffin. Shut your mouth. Go get your first ball hair. Come back. Act like a man.Then you shat all over that because you are some immature 12 year old English Muffin. Shut your mouth. Go get your first ball hair. Come back. Act like a man.Shut your mouth. Go get your first ball hair. Come back. Act like a man.
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