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Post by The Senator on Jun 13, 2009 20:58:25 GMT -5
Jake, you know better than that, there've been metric tons of storyline/negotiation determined matches in ACW.
Rep, You THINK CP should have won and should be mad, but the calcs system allows for upsets, Freeman has been writing the best stuff of his career, and CP is flexable enough that he's not angry.
That's a good thing, setting oneself up to the point where they can't work with a loss is a bad thing, although I can certainly sympathise with the desire to work with non-calced matches.
For the record, their match was extremely close, it wasn't as if Freeman just decimated CP in the calcs.
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Post by Jake on Jun 13, 2009 21:00:19 GMT -5
I know, I was clarifying for Train/the Wut Cat.
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Post by rep on Jun 13, 2009 21:00:44 GMT -5
It's not about losing, though. I don't have a problem losing to someone who is on my level and above, but when it comes to a certain trait of the storyline, I think CP should have taken it. He's been promoing about how he only created the ET Challenge so he could go out and train. He is supposed to now posses strength and more brains. Another trait of this match was supposed to be CP either changing the ET title to the TV title and defending it weekly, or to make the ET title LIKE a TV title, defending it against all challengers every week.
There's no problem with losing, it's that sometimes it's just not good to lose.
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Post by Jason Freeman on Jun 13, 2009 21:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by Yoko Satoshi on Jun 13, 2009 23:27:30 GMT -5
I may be misunderstanding something myself, but I think I see a misunderstanding about the application of calcs.
It's true that they can be disregarded completely for story reasons, but we don't decide that. The participants have to agree and tell us they want to do that.
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Post by Dan White on Jun 13, 2009 23:37:55 GMT -5
What Yoko said.
Plus, we're a fed built around the calcs. If two people have been feuding over the International belt for 6 months and they're about to end their feud finally on PPV, but then the champion through calcs loses the belt in his/her mandatory mid-month defense, (as far as I know) the mods do not step in and go "hang on, for storyline purposes this belt should not be changed here", because it's unfair on the person who won the belt in that mid-month defense. Perfect cases of points here include Yoko winning the title off BK at Genocide 2005, Predator winning the Entertainment title off Jake Cheng in July 2005, and me winning the International title at WD 2008.
Just because the title is an important part of your storyline, doesn't mean you can hog the belt until you see fit. Even though Chris had plans for the title, for this particular match it was deemed that Freeman had won the calcs, therefore he deserved to keep the title. That's the way it goes, I'm afraid. And for the record, I thought that the match was anyone's game.
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Post by Dan White on Jun 13, 2009 23:46:51 GMT -5
You've also got to remember that whilst CP has been writing some awesome stuff, Freeman has been writing some excellent stuff. Trust, me, for someone who's seen him here for almost 3 years, it's by far the best writing he's ever done here. His stuff with AK has been Main Event standard. I know it seems unfair that CP was readying himself for the TV Title, but it's not like the mods decide title matches by hitting "search" and counting how many times somebody said "World Title" in the month. It's strictly about the writing, when it comes to calcs. I think.
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Post by rep on Jun 13, 2009 23:53:13 GMT -5
I completely disagree, I feel that CP should have won it both with and without calcs. Has Freeman defended that TV Title?
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Post by Dan White on Jun 14, 2009 0:01:12 GMT -5
No, but it's 'only' a Fallout TV Title. And bearing in mind that Fallout hasn't been running for a good while...well, he was always the static champion. It's not like it meant much. In terms of prestige it would have been far below the Entertainment title anyways.
As for your views on who should have won the match, well that's fair enough. But I trust the mods enough not to make mistakes or anything in this kind of situation.
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Post by El Shadowo on Jun 14, 2009 4:53:53 GMT -5
I'm still kind of amazed that this debate is even raging on AFTER Chris himself said he wasn't bitter and that he was moving on (A very good attitude; we all suffer loses we feel are unfair, and it's how we deal with those loses that shapes how we're viewed on here). The important thing for both Chris and Freeman now is to capitalise on the result and move on, trying to improve their stuff even more. If I'm being honest, both Chris and Freeman's segs over the last few weeks have been very strong, and I do not envy whoever had to pick a winner between them. But I fail to see why there's any further discussion about the result when neither Freeman nor Chris are actually really talking about it. If it was one of them debating the result or getting pissed, I could understand why this topic is once again getting hi-jacked. But since Chris has publically stated (even if it's not how he really feels, but we can only go on what he's said here) that it's not that big a deal, I don't see why others are starting stuff over it.
As for the calcs vs predetermined results aspect of this debate, I guess thats one of the beauties of ACW. You have the choice to pick which method to determine the winner you want. Rep, if you want all your matches to be predetermined by you, fair play. You're welcome to do that and so long as whoever the match is with agrees to do that, you're free to. However, Chris and Freeman obviously decided to use the calcs system and you don't have any say in how they decide the result of their matches. They didn't have to do things that way. But obviously they decided that was how they wanted to go on. You may not agree with the system but they decided to play by those rules. And it's not my call, your call or the mods call to change results if the calcs system doesn't throw up the result you agree with.
ACW boasts a unique calcs system and is honest about it. And you've decided you'd rather do it another way, which ACW allows. But others (myself included) have reasons for using the calcs system from time to time.
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