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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 4, 2009 19:16:05 GMT -5
That's something that you do in a promo, not a description. On top of all of this, the "brawl" made Jake look like a complete pussy who NEEDS his stable to win a brawl, a fight, a match... and in turn, the World Title. Unless you build your character around that (like I have) it makes you look like a complete wuss when you do it. The problem is that Jake has actually been building his character on what a GREAT wrestler he is, but for some reason he can't even win a fight alone? Bullshit. Not only that but the brawl was cluttered and I had a hard time following it because there was so much going on at once. All in all as I said, I don't like where this is going. I disagree with you. Steele wants to be a full heel. This is how you become a full heel. Nothing is worse than to watch a group of men attack another. It's not a fair fight and if you are a mark watching it, you want to go help the poor smuck that is getting his brains beat in against unfair odds (see legacy vs. HHH). Too often in e-fedding you have stables that serve NO purpose other than promos where they get together and do something or talk. Tonight I saw the Road Steelers serving a purpose together for the first time in a long while. Also, if you read the first segment, Train was out there because I told him to be out there. I faked information about knowing where his sister is at to get him to come down to the ring so that I could take him out. With the last show, I started a mission on taking every member of the Road Steelers out. To do to Jake what he did to me while I was gone. My plan backfired in the end because Jake OUTSMARTED Thunderkiss, something rarely done. I call that a bad ass motherfucker, if you ask me.
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:36:14 GMT -5
Chris Phenomenal CP turning on Rawt was good. He has the "stage set" in various different ways. The certain craft where everything is where it belongs and it comes in to play when it's necessary, such as CP reaching in to his pockets and then at the right time, taking them out to whack Rawt with, as well as when Chris was getting the ladder and hit Rawt with it in the head from the outside. You have "ring presence" and know when to do various different things. I like the way you have things lay out in segments. As far as the long term this has a ton of potential and I hope it all plays out well, but don't pull the trigger on big matches too soon. Save them for PPVs.
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:42:10 GMT -5
That's something that you do in a promo, not a description. On top of all of this, the "brawl" made Jake look like a complete pussy who NEEDS his stable to win a brawl, a fight, a match... and in turn, the World Title. Unless you build your character around that (like I have) it makes you look like a complete wuss when you do it. The problem is that Jake has actually been building his character on what a GREAT wrestler he is, but for some reason he can't even win a fight alone? Bullshit. Not only that but the brawl was cluttered and I had a hard time following it because there was so much going on at once. All in all as I said, I don't like where this is going. I disagree with you. Steele wants to be a full heel. This is how you become a full heel. Nothing is worse than to watch a group of men attack another. It's not a fair fight and if you are a mark watching it, you want to go help the poor smuck that is getting his brains beat in against unfair odds (see legacy vs. HHH). Too often in e-fedding you have stables that serve NO purpose other than promos where they get together and do something or talk. Tonight I saw the Road Steelers serving a purpose together for the first time in a long while. Also, if you read the first segment, Train was out there because I told him to be out there. I faked information about knowing where his sister is at to get him to come down to the ring so that I could take him out. With the last show, I started a mission on taking every member of the Road Steelers out. To do to Jake what he did to me while I was gone. My plan backfired in the end because Jake OUTSMARTED Thunderkiss, something rarely done. I call that a bad ass motherfucker, if you ask me. I disagree, a bad ass would be able to hold his own in a fight with you without any backup at all. The "full blown heel" thing just doesn't work when you're in a stable, especially with the character that he's trying to do. One Man Revolutions don't have backup. Steele claimed he was going to "end TK" by himself or some bullshit like that. Very clearly from this segment, he's not even doing what his character promised to do. On top of that, the guy is in a stable with two faces. How bad can a guy be if not only ONE, but TWO faces think that he's a cool guy to tag team with? It's like a street thug hanging out with two charity workers in front of his "homies." Complete credibility killer, and Steele either needs to kick both of their asses to the curb forcefully or be beaten down by both of them, which would give them some recognition but ruin your feud. In the end, this thing is being handled the wrong way thus far. Nobody cares about a semi-heel wrestling a face. Thunderkiss, your profile says that you're an "anti-hero" which doesn't exactly explain whether you're a face or a heel, as either side could be an anti-hero, it's a gimmick, not an alignment. In this instant, Jake is beating up a heel, which makes him a face. Another out of character trait for a heel.
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Post by Dan White on Jun 4, 2009 19:48:35 GMT -5
Remember though, there's two types of heels (well probably more, but two I want to focus on). The type that is cowardly and relies on his team mates to help him EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME, and the type that is so good that he damn well knows it, and despite being a hatable guy, you just know that he's going to come out on top cos he's just that good.
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Post by Jonny Spade on Jun 4, 2009 19:49:16 GMT -5
Guys lets not let this discussion get out of hand like we've seen them before get out of hand.
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:49:27 GMT -5
Jake claims OOC and in character that he's the bad ass that doesn't need backup and is the best wrestler ever... yet his ACTIONS speak as if he were a cowardly heel. He's doing it wrong, in both ways.
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:50:21 GMT -5
Guys lets not let this discussion get out of hand like we've seen them before get out of hand. This isn't even close to being a "flame war." We're having a discussion about the show for once.
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Post by Dan White on Jun 4, 2009 19:50:48 GMT -5
Jake claims OOC and in character that he's the bad ass that doesn't need backup and is the best wrestler ever... yet his ACTIONS speak as if he were a cowardly heel. He's doing it wrong, in both ways. But isn't that just being an awesome heel , cos he's contradicting himself so monumentally in-character?
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:52:53 GMT -5
It would be... if that's what he was intending. But clearly from out of character posts and remarks he's made, he's intending to be the bad ass, but he's planning it in a way that makes him the coward. It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Jonny Spade on Jun 4, 2009 19:53:33 GMT -5
Guys lets not let this discussion get out of hand like we've seen them before get out of hand. This isn't even close to being a "flame war." We're having a discussion about the show for once. I know its not a flame war. But Discussions that seemed innocent in the beginning ended up turning into one.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 4, 2009 19:53:45 GMT -5
Thunderkiss, your profile says that you're an "anti-hero" which doesn't exactly explain whether you're a face or a heel, as either side could be an anti-hero, it's a gimmick, not an alignment. I'll answer this and the other stuff I've already spoken on and it would just be repeating myself. Anti-hero sounds better than tweener, so that's what I roll with. Bottom line, the essence of the character has always been to get what he wants, when he wants it and to plow through whomever stands in his way in order to get it. Whether be it face or heel. He's his own side and in today's self absorbed world, everyone can relate to that. Henceforth why he has his own personal cheering section.
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 19:56:38 GMT -5
Thunderkiss, your profile says that you're an "anti-hero" which doesn't exactly explain whether you're a face or a heel, as either side could be an anti-hero, it's a gimmick, not an alignment. I'll answer this and the other stuff I've already spoken on and it would just be repeating myself. Anti-hero sounds better than tweener, so that's what I roll with. Bottom line, the essence of the character has always been to get what he wants, when he wants it and to plow through whomever stands in his way in order to get it. Whether be it face or heel. He's his own side and in today's self absorbed world, everyone can relate to that. Henceforth why he has his own personal cheering section. That makes it even more of a reason of why it makes Jake look like a bitch. If you're the guy that's determined to plow through people to get what he wants and Jake is the guy who doesn't back down and stands up to challengers, he's a pussy based on that last segment alone. He only beat you in the brawl because he had backup, if Train wasn't in the ring and if it were a title match, you would be the World Champion. The continuity just doesn't make sense. Somehow next month Jake is suddenly going to be tough enough to actually put up a good match with you?
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Post by Dan White on Jun 4, 2009 20:01:28 GMT -5
Rep, all I can say is, just wait until next show or something like that. It's only the start of his turn, maybe he is waiting to explain himself (que Steele frantically writing a segment to justify this).
Personally, I've not read the show yet cos I'm writing the segment I didn't have time to do (sorry guys). But after I have, I'll read through and add my input (so don't close the topic yet!)
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Post by rep on Jun 4, 2009 20:03:19 GMT -5
The only way a following promo could explain the destruction of his character here is that if he took ten sleeping pills before trying to fight. That would explain his awful offense.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 4, 2009 20:03:30 GMT -5
That makes it even more of a reason of why it makes Jake look like a bitch. If you're the guy that's determined to plow through people to get what he wants and Jake is the guy who doesn't back down and stands up to challengers, he's a pussy based on that last segment alone. He only beat you in the brawl because he had backup, if Train wasn't in the ring and if it were a title match, you would be the World Champion. The continuity just doesn't make sense. Somehow next month Jake is suddenly going to be tough enough to actually put up a good match with you? As I said previously, Thunderkiss has made it a career to out wit his opponents with sneak attacks and the like. Tonight he got outsmart and paid a heavy price for it. If that doesn't make Steele look like a million bucks, I don't know what would. Plus, nobody has ever broken a bone on TK's body. Nobody. It was a huge rub he got tonight. Yes, yes he had help but that is the purpose of a stable. Gang group warfare. With your argument, you are saying Randy Orton is a complete wuss for utilizing Legacy. Simply not true.
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