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May 3, 2009 14:47:41 GMT -5
Post by rep on May 3, 2009 14:47:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to reply to that... you did know that was a joke... didn't you?
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May 3, 2009 14:48:50 GMT -5
Post by rosslambert on May 3, 2009 14:48:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to reply to that... you did know that was a joke... didn't you? XD Yeah. I just wanted to post a pic.
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May 3, 2009 14:50:14 GMT -5
Post by rep on May 3, 2009 14:50:14 GMT -5
Also... as far as Jake and I being friends, as far as I know he played absolutely no part in me being reinstated. I asked him to ask an admin for me, because I didn't have any of their contact info names, which is also why I made a new account after my first was banned. I was trying to view their profile to get their AIM or MSN.
At one point Jake even refused to ask anyone for me, so I had to do it myself after I somehow got BK's AIM name.
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May 3, 2009 14:57:15 GMT -5
Post by El Shadowo on May 3, 2009 14:57:15 GMT -5
You know I didn't mean it like that, Dave. I know
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May 3, 2009 15:34:12 GMT -5
Post by Dalton on May 3, 2009 15:34:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I meant Lou. Sorry Jaker <_<;
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May 3, 2009 15:50:28 GMT -5
Post by Jake Steele on May 3, 2009 15:50:28 GMT -5
The only argument in this thread that even makes sense. LOL no. It doesn't say why giving Taylor his character is a bad thing, it just says he should have tried to do it differently. Quit nut-hugging anyone that's been here longer then you. You know I've heard some hilarious things said about me, but that right there takes it. First off, I agreed with the statement because of the paragraph where he basically said Taylor's bitching and moaning will throw people off from the fed. Which it could, cause if you signed up and saw someone being a total faggot about having a character be unbanned in topics that have nothing to do with that, you would think twice about posting and promoing too. Second, nut-hugging people that's been here longer than me, really? Dude, I don't give a FUCK how long Flamingo has been here. I agreed with him because in a topic full of faggots (like you), and people whining about why Taylor should be brought back, he actually made valid points. Instead of bringing up people like Starkweather and Predator (who aren't even here anymore) and Rep (who made topics in the past which people caught feelings about - you obviously being one of those people since you whined like a cunt in his profile topic). And when did you become Jon Taylor's number one bitch anyway? Because I remember clearly last year how all you would is bitch to me over MSN about how much of a douche he was. He slandered you in all of his posts, made you look stupid plenty of times, and you were all for BK banning him, but now you've become his fan club president? Fuck out of here pussy. As for my point of view, the only reason Taylor would be good for this fed right now is that he would add more width to the roster. That's it. Taylor isn't even that good of a character for you and Freeman to be "fighting the system" to get him unbanned. Bryce was better, and Robertson was better. To add onto that, you're asking BK to unban you Taylor? Really? That's like asking someone you just stabbed to drive you to the store for some Milk. Shit just isn't gonna happen. How about you go ask Senator, or AK, mods who don't "hold a grudge" over you and are impartial to you possibly being unbanned. Because asking BK (or asking people to ask BK) is getting you NOWHERE. Face it.
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May 3, 2009 16:06:00 GMT -5
Post by rosslambert on May 3, 2009 16:06:00 GMT -5
LOL no. It doesn't say why giving Taylor his character is a bad thing, it just says he should have tried to do it differently. Quit nut-hugging anyone that's been here longer then you. You know I've heard some hilarious things said about me, but that right there takes it. First off, I agreed with the statement because of the paragraph where he basically said Taylor's bitching and moaning will throw people off from the fed. Which it could, cause if you signed up and saw someone being a total faggot about having a character be unbanned in topics that have nothing to do with that, you would think twice about posting and promoing too. Second, nut-hugging people that's been here longer than me, really? Dude, I don't give a FUCK how long Flamingo has been here. I agreed with him because in a topic full of faggots (like you), and people whining about why Taylor should be brought back, he actually made valid points. Instead of bringing up people like Starkweather and Predator (who aren't even here anymore) and Rep (who made topics in the past which people caught feelings about - you obviously being one of those people since you whined like a cunt in his profile topic). And when did you become Jon Taylor's number one bitch anyway? Because I remember clearly last year how all you would is bitch to me over MSN about how much of a douche he was. He slandered you in all of his posts, made you look stupid plenty of times, and you were all for BK banning him, but now you've become his fan club president? Fuck out of here pussy. As for my point of view, the only reason Taylor would be good for this fed right now is that he would add more width to the roster. That's it. Taylor isn't even that good of a character for you and Freeman to be "fighting the system" to get him unbanned. Bryce was better, and Robertson was better. To add onto that, you're asking BK to unban you Taylor? Really? That's like asking someone you just stabbed to drive you to the store for some Milk. Shit just isn't gonna happen. How about you go ask Senator, or AK, mods who don't "hold a grudge" over you and are impartial to you possibly being unbanned. Because asking BK (or asking people to ask BK) is getting you NOWHERE. Face it. You say that like you never bitched about him. "OH! We should've won that tag match!" "OH! He's such a dick!". You're so much of a hypocrite it's unbelievable. I'm supporting Taylor because it's just damn stupid that you're stopping a guy from using a character when he's proven multiple times he can be trusted and is mature enough to realize his mistakes and be given a second chance. I love how you call ME a pussy when I've seen you in chat, making fun of Thunderkiss with Rep and then as soon as he joins the chat you pick another target. Grow some balls and come back when you're not the same immature little douchebag who burnt down CIW with Rep because you thought it was "The cool thing to do". Face it, you're supporting the character banning because A) It makes you feel like a big man to support authority and you want to be in there with BK or B) You're being a douche for the sake of it. I know for a damn fact that you'd be singing a VERY different tune if this was Rep in case. Also, you're out of your mind if you think Bryce was a better character then Taylor. Taylor was awesome.
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May 3, 2009 16:06:47 GMT -5
Post by BAWSE Train on May 3, 2009 16:06:47 GMT -5
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May 3, 2009 16:09:10 GMT -5
Post by BK London on May 3, 2009 16:09:10 GMT -5
This topic is closed until further notice. Thank you.
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May 3, 2009 19:06:37 GMT -5
Post by The Senator on May 3, 2009 19:06:37 GMT -5
Sheesh, guys. Maturity is a good thing. It helps with that debate/argument thing.
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May 3, 2009 19:13:44 GMT -5
Post by Alicia "Atomic" Kitsune on May 3, 2009 19:13:44 GMT -5
Ok. First things first; this topic was locked so that the available mods could have a discussion of the points raised before making a formal response. Now Senator’s come on and added his thoughts, I’m going to post this up.
I would be the first person to recognise that some of the things being brought up here happened a little while ago. We’ve checked over the old mod topics to supplement our memories, but there may be some finer details which we’ve missed. Nevertheless, I’d like to summarise a few items from the “Taylor Timeline” if you will.
Taylor’s original banning occurred after a sustained period of friction between himself and several other ACW members. This friction was causing harm to the boards and the ACW chat environment, and previous attempts by various people (myself included) to get Taylor to tone things down had been shown to work only on a temporary basis. The “final straw” was the dispute in June ’08 regarding the International title, in which Taylor (who was already on an official warning) openly accused the calculations system of being fixed, and the mods by association of being corrupt. This led to a torrent of negative posts and trolling; BK temporarily suspended Taylor’s account in order to prevent a six-page topic of insults and inflammatory statements from spiralling even further out of control, an action which prompted Taylor to further insult BK. The cumulative effects of these events were carefully considered by the mods, and with regret we decided that the only remaining course of action was to ban Taylor outright.
When Taylor re-joined the fed under a pseudonym, his real identity was detected within a couple of days. At that time the mods had a further discussion, as to whether we should simply delete this new account, or allow Taylor a chance to turn over a new leaf without his “history” to colour other peoples’ view of him. We decided to let Taylor continue, but monitored his posts and his conduct in the chat. As several people have noted, Taylor’s behaviour was improved – but to my mind it was (and is) still somewhat immature in comparison with many other fed members. I do not believe that Taylor would disagree with this view, based on his recent posts.
Eventually, Taylor revealed his “true” identity, and again the mods discussed what action to take. The same actions remained theoretically open – either to allow Taylor to stay, or to re-ban him. We took into consideration a PM from Taylor which gave us some further hope that his change for the better was permanent. After much discussion, we agreed on a compromise; that Taylor could continue in the fed, but that the character “Jon Taylor” would remain banned, permanently.
I should like to note at this point that this suggestion did not come from BK. It came from myself.
My reasoning for this suggestion was partly practical, and partly symbolic. In a practical sense, it enabled us to easily separate the “old” Taylor’s posts and other work from the “new” Taylor, and would also ensure that newer members of the fed would not stumble upon any earlier evidence of Taylor’s misdeamenors and draw negative conclusions about him. In a symbolic way, removing the Taylor character indicated a “clean break” with the past, and a commitment from Taylor himself not to return to the behaviours which got him banned in the first place.
I would like it put on record on behalf of all the mods that, throughout this whole process, BK was always honest about his feelings toward Taylor, and his personal concerns. However, this did not mean that he did not participate fully in the discussions about what to do, nor that he was always the person pushing for the harshest punishments. If anything, I was probably the person most in favour of “cutting our losses” after the original ban; this was due to the fact that, having previously tried to advise Taylor about the effects of his behaviour, and been promised a change of heart, I was bitterly disappointed when that change of heart failed to materialise and the banning had to result.
We have once again debated the pros and cons of Taylor’s request. Our decision is that the “ban” on Taylor was correct at the time it was made, and that the evidence of this topic shows that, however much he has matured, Taylor still has some way to go before he fully meets the high standards that we hope for from ACW members. Had Taylor come to one of us in private to discuss the issue, we might have been more amenable to considering the request. But it’s crystal clear from the very existence of this topic that Taylor still bears a considerable grudge toward BK and doubts his neutrality as a mod; and further that his apparent distrust may well still extend to the other mods as well.
We sympathise with the fact that the Jon Taylor character is Taylor’s preference, but a ban is a ban, and the cost of Taylor continuing to be a part of ACW is that he leaves his “old self” in the archives. If Taylor wishes to write for the character, we suggest he does this in another fed where the name will not be constantly overshadowed by ill-considered actions. Taylor himself is still very welcome to participate in OOC topics, or to write for another character of his choosing.
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If I may, on a personal note: Taylor, you still don’t seem to understand that making these topics doesn’t present either you or your case in a good light; if you’d approached us privately, as you did when you originally returned, you’d have been told that I was the person who was (and is) most strongly against the return of the Jon Taylor character, and we could then have talked it over. Had you done that, I might well have been persuaded that you had indeed earned the character back, and we could then have had a formal mod discussion on the topic for the right reasons. But all I see here is that you’re still convinced that BK has it in for you, which was never the case, and that you’d rather try and steamroll the mods through the weight of your one-sided argument than talk to us directly. So once again, I find myself disappointed.
If you wish to interrogate or accuse me as you previously have BK, then so be it. I simply wish to make it known what the facts of the matter are, before anyone else draws incorrect conclusions.
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May 3, 2009 21:23:19 GMT -5
Post by Jake on May 3, 2009 21:23:19 GMT -5
11:25:27 AM lee-mckendrick@hotmail.co.uk: pretty please 11:25:35 AM lee-mckendrick@hotmail.co.uk: i am sorry for my bad ways 11:26:07 AM lee-mckendrick@hotmail.co.uk: i will not troll anymore if you make siggeh 11:26:13 AM lee-mckendrick@hotmail.co.uk: i shall retire in peace >_>
And I made it.
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May 3, 2009 21:40:24 GMT -5
Post by Kim Jong CP on May 3, 2009 21:40:24 GMT -5
That's what you get for spelling my name wrong.
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May 4, 2009 5:32:54 GMT -5
Post by bryce on May 4, 2009 5:32:54 GMT -5
AK, that was really all I was looking TBH. I just wanted a response that wasn't a simply "no" with no explanation with it. Well, looks like my fedding career is over haha.
BTW I can't remember when I suggested the mods were corrupted...that was probably a sarcastic comment I made that got taken the wrong way >_<. And distrust the mods either, I just thought at the time in the heat of the moment BK might have acted hastenly. Oh well my bad xD.
P.S I know that i'm probably the most immature poster here still, but hey I'm immature irl so can't exactly help it.
Edit: BTW if possible I'd like to know what I said in June 08 regarding the fixing of calcs. I really can't remember saying that and by then I had already quit and vacated the title. The only thing I can remember about the title is when I saw that a tourney was going to be held I started screwing around saying I didn't quit xD.
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May 4, 2009 16:40:21 GMT -5
Post by Silencio/The Dan on May 4, 2009 16:40:21 GMT -5
Can someone make a tl;dr version of this topic? I don't feel like reading through walls o' texts.
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